Kane and drawing fouls

[ThurgoodMarshal]

Yep. Lately I think he is playing with this on mind, and putting more focus on putting it in the hoop because the fouls just aren't getting called.

Completely agree. He doesn't get nearly the foul calls as early in the season. I actually like his mentality more now of, like you said, focusing on getting the basket rather than drawing the foul. Especially since his free throws aren't exactly "gimmes"

 

[JohnnyFive]

I think he just needs to go up strong and finish. If he gets fouled, great. If he doesn't, two points. 60 percent of the time that strategy works every time.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Kane is the college version of a slightly less athletic Dwyane Wade. Wade spends more time on the floor in the NBA than anyone else except the flopping Manu "White Marcus Smart" Ginobli.

 

[MNclone]

Needs to finish more at the hoop. When he goes through stretches where he is just throwing the ball up with no chance of going in he doesn't get the call. It seems that when he is finishing at the hoop he gets more calls on misses. The contact seems to be the only constant.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Needs to finish more at the hoop. When he goes through stretches where he is just throwing the ball up with no chance of going in he doesn't get the call. It seems that when he is finishing at the hoop he gets more calls on misses. The contact seems to be the only constant.

Obviously contact makes it harder to finish.

 

[blutarsky]

I think Kane has gotten a bit of a reputation as an "out of control" player in the lane and isn't getting the contact fouls.

 

[VeloClone]

I think Kane has gotten a bit of a reputation as an "out of control" player in the lane and isn't getting the contact fouls.

I thought Staten was just as out of control on some of his drives and he pretty much never failed to get the whistle.

 

[Cyclonic1]

At the beginning of the season he was doing very well drawing the and-1's. Toward the middle of the season, especially after the Oklahoma injury, he seemed to be driving more for the contact than the basket and the refs stopped giving him the whistles on top of which he was making fewer shots. In the last couple of games he's seemed to be going for the basket again and letting what contact occurs come. He's making more baskets and, I think, he'll start getting more whistles again if he keeps that up. If we want the refs to swallow the whistles on flopping we also have to accept that they swallow them for baiting.

I also think that Marcus (Not So) Smart has poisoned that well for strong, well built PG"s

 

[Clone9]

He gets screwed because he's strong and makes a lot of the shots despite the contact. Seems like refs this year are waiting for the shot to miss before blowing the whistle for a foul.

This is absolutely true. And I'd love to say that it is unfair to us, but they seem to do it on both ends no matter who we are playing. It is completely ridiculous! It is either a foul or it isn't - and whether the ball goes in makes no difference at all.

 

[Bigman38]

I thought Staten was just as out of control on some of his drives and he pretty much never failed to get the whistle.

This is why I think it's all about his size. If Morris was drawing the same contact he'd be getting a lot more calls than Kane does. FWIW I think it's partly a subconsious thing on the refs part and generally the contact looks tamer because it's a lot harder to move someone that big.

 

[CycloneWarning]

The Texas game at Hilton almost seemed like the refs would wait to see if the shot went in and then who gets the rebound before they would blow the whistle. It was amazing.

I did notice Kane drew a foul in the 1st last night when he drove and had a nice dish (I think to Hogue) for a wide open look, only to have our made basket waived off for a on the floor call. That was about the only one he got.

yes, one of the weirdest games ever. First half, refs swallow their whistles. Second half, fouls are being called on ISU on almost every play. I think UT was at one time 20 of 23 from the line and we had only shot 12.

And the whistles were sooooo late.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

You have to look at the contact being made. I'm not saying this is always or even often the case, but you also can't just throw your body into a defender and get a call every time. He DOES do that sometimes. It works in the NBA, but they don't call it as much in the college game.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You have to look at the contact being made. I'm not saying this is always or even often the case, but you also can't just throw your body into a defender and get a call every time. He DOES do that sometimes. It works in the NBA, but they don't call it as much in the college game.

I would say it certainly works a decent amount of the time. I see that called all the time. Maybe 50/50. Kane seems to be getting more like 10 or 15% of the calls.

 

[isuno1fan]

In a lot of the plays, I don't think he is getting fouled.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I would say it certainly works a decent amount of the time. I see that called all the time. Maybe 50/50. Kane seems to be getting more like 10 or 15% of the calls.

Oh, I agree that he gets that call often. Just saying, just because there's contact doesn't always mean it's a legitimate foul.

I just wish he'd stop doing it after EVERY three made by the opposing team. It's predictable now, which also probably at least partially leads to less calls.

 

[Wesley]

Kane is the college version of a slightly less athletic Dwyane Wade. Wade spends more time on the floor in the NBA than anyone else except the flopping Manu "White Marcus Smart" Ginobli.

..but can Marcus do the exploding shoe like manu...

WATCH: Manu Ginobili's shoe explodes, tears apart during game

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I think the fact that Kane drives the lane whether there is 1,2,3, or 4 bodies in the lane leads to a lot of no calls too. He tries to cram his body into a crease that a greased-up Morris would have a hard time getting into.

I've seen plenty of times where he ends up jumping into the side of another defender and then falling to the ground while throwing up an off-balance shot. Like it was said earlier, I think he has a rep of driving the lane and looking for a foul rather than a basket.

I'd rather see him drive the lane and stay on his feet. At least when the foul isn't called, he'd be in position to get an occassional offensive rebound off a miss.

Oh, and I think Kane is awesome! (I had to offset the negativity in that post)

 

[blutarsky]

I thought Staten was just as out of control on some of his drives and he pretty much never failed to get the whistle.

True ... Staten is also a finisher and his lighter frame helps him get a few calls. Kane is a bull and unfortunately isn't going to get the contact calls. He got them early, but the book is out on Kane's game. Kane needs to make the adjustment.

When he's at his best he gets into the lane and finds a teammate. If he does that the defense will sag and he should have better opportunities later in game to get to the rim and finish.

 

[madguy30]

I don't think he gets fouled all that much on those forced drives.

There's a bit of contact, but it doesn't seem to be the kind that would throw him flying in dramatic fashion like he tends to do.

 

[Steve]

I don't think he gets fouled all that much on those forced drives.

There's a bit of contact, but it doesn't seem to be the kind that would throw him flying in dramatic fashion like he tends to do.

He gets fouled on almost every drive. Fouls should get called based on whether or not the contact is allowed under the rules - not by whether the player is strong enough to absorb the contact.