Kansas AD Big 12 members signed 10 year deal

[Marc936]

Except that you don't shut out your family at Thanksgiving dinner (particularly those who are struggling financially and CAN'T bring more to the table. It's not that they're being cheap, they're bringing what little they can), and if schools can't regard their conference partners in a similar manner, then it's not really a conference at all. The whole point of a conference is to help each other out. Otherwise everyone would be an independent. But Texas operates as an independent, or at least wants to, but they want to do it under the guise of being in a conference. That's not right.

we arent "family" we are a business, why should UTA give a **** about any other school than themselves, they don't need big 12 alive, its running on their shoulders.

If everyone is complaining so much leave big 12, oh wait, no one is going to do that because there is no where else to go. This was a better option, so we stuck in it.

dont bite the hand that feeds you, we can leave if we really wanted to



this forum seems to get the tendency to complain a lot. ISU is not a powerhouse, we should be happy we are in the big 12, we aren't popular enough for big 10, MWC doesn't really want us, big east is too far, why are you ******** about the only place willing to give us money.

 

[doolittledog]

we arent "family" we are a business, why should UTA give a **** about any other school than themselves, they don't need big 12 alive, its running on their shoulders.

If everyone is complaining so much leave big 12, oh wait, no one is going to do that because there is no where else to go. This was a better option, so we stuck in it.

dont bite the hand that feeds you, we can leave if we really wanted to



this forum seems to get the tendency to complain a lot. ISU is not a powerhouse, we should be happy we are in the big 12, we aren't popular enough for big 10, MWC doesn't really want us, big east is too far, why are you ******** about the only place willing to give us money.

So you're basically going with the argument that if a woman if the victim of spousal abuse, but her husband is really rich, it is better to stay with him because she will be richer with him than on her own. At the end of the day it's about standing up for what is right.

Now we find out that only the little step sister schools are actually signing a 10 year commitment to stay in the league. Texas and the other big boys can leave as they see fit. The little sister schools paid Texas and the others to stay. The old TV formula still applies. Texas gets to have their own network. I know it's nice to be in a BCS conference and all. But when is enough, enough?

 

[Palmer]

So you're basically going with the argument that if a woman if the victim of spousal abuse, but her husband is really rich, it is better to stay with him because she will be richer with him than on her own. At the end of the day it's about standing up for what is right.

Now we find out that only the little step sister schools are actually signing a 10 year commitment to stay in the league. Texas and the other big boys can leave as they see fit. The little sister schools paid Texas and the others to stay. The old TV formula still applies. Texas gets to have their own network. I know it's nice to be in a BCS conference and all. But when is enough, enough?

We will keep on begging wife - beater Texas to keep us until that day we are sent to the minor leagues.

ISU is the fugly spouse money wise that no one wants.

 

[jbhtexas]

So you're basically going with the argument that if a woman if the victim of spousal abuse, but her husband is really rich, it is better to stay with him because she will be richer with him than on her own.

I doubt it would be possible to come up with a more inappropriate and improper analogy for ISU's current situation.

I know it's nice to be in a BCS conference and all. But when is enough, enough?

It's more than "nice" to be in a BCS, it's essential for the university as a whole. It's been explained numerous times here why that is so. Conference alignment spans more than athletics.

There is no "abuse" going on. The benefits of being in the Big 12 far outweigh any benefits of being in a non-BCS conference.

 

[sunset]

we arent "family" we are a business, why should UTA give a **** about any other school than themselves, they don't need big 12 alive, its running on their shoulders.

If everyone is complaining so much leave big 12, oh wait, no one is going to do that because there is no where else to go. This was a better option, so we stuck in it.

dont bite the hand that feeds you, we can leave if we really wanted to



this forum seems to get the tendency to complain a lot. ISU is not a powerhouse, we should be happy we are in the big 12, we aren't popular enough for big 10, MWC doesn't really want us, big east is too far, why are you ******** about the only place willing to give us money.

You really have no idea what a conference is all about, do you?

 

[gopherluv]

Indiana and Minnesota don't bring jack to the Big 10 either. Ask yourself this, which business model or model for a conference is more successful in form and function, the Big 12 or the Big 10? You know the answer, we all do. If Texas does not want to share a little then they need to go independent. I appreciate Texas for what they have become and how it can help ISU, but don't kid yourself. A master/slave relationship with your conference brethren is not healthy at all and bad for college football.

You'll have to explain that one. Strictly football? Even if you're just talking about football Minnesota delivers America's 15th largest medial market to the BTN. The conference realignments have nothing to do with who wins or loses on the field. Look at the Director's Cup standings and you will see what UM brings to the big ten athletically. Not to mention we are one of the best research universities in the country. Nope...Minnesota brings nothing to the Big Ten.

 

[dbronco7sc]

You'll have to explain that one. Strictly football? Even if you're just talking about football Minnesota delivers America's 15th largest medial market to the BTN. The conference realignments have nothing to do with who wins or loses on the field. Look at the Director's Cup standings and you will see what UM brings to the big ten athletically. Not to mention we are one of the best research universities in the country. Nope...Minnesota brings nothing to the Big Ten.

When you say Minnesota's TV Market... you mean the Twins and the Vikings... By no means is the U of M the reason people watch TV in the Twin Cities. Otherwise... you're not much better than Iowa State.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

You'll have to explain that one. Strictly football? Even if you're just talking about football Minnesota delivers America's 15th largest medial market to the BTN. The conference realignments have nothing to do with who wins or loses on the field. Look at the Director's Cup standings and you will see what UM brings to the big ten athletically. Not to mention we are one of the best research universities in the country. Nope...Minnesota brings nothing to the Big Ten.

Went by a Minnesota game last year at their new stadium, maybe 20,000 fans there?

 

[gopherluv]

When you say Minnesota's TV Market... you mean the Twins and the Vikings... By no means is the U of M the reason people watch TV in the Twin Cities. Otherwise... you're not much better than Iowa State.

The Twin Cities TV market. They don't have to watch the Gophers. The BTN pays based on the number of subscribers.

 

[gopherluv]

Went by a Minnesota game last year at their new stadium, maybe 20,000 fans there?

Which game? This should be good...

 

[Mr Janny]

The Twin Cities TV market. They don't have to watch the Gophers. The BTN pays based on the number of subscribers.

That's the part that some people don't get. It doesn't matter how many people actually watch the game on TV. It only matters how many people are paying 70 cents a month for it on their cable bill. Those folks may never, ever watch a single second of BTN programming, but the Big Ten is still making money off of them.

 

[tm3308]

we arent "family" we are a business, why should UTA give a **** about any other school than themselves, they don't need big 12 alive, its running on their shoulders.

If everyone is complaining so much leave big 12, oh wait, no one is going to do that because there is no where else to go. This was a better option, so we stuck in it.

dont bite the hand that feeds you, we can leave if we really wanted to



this forum seems to get the tendency to complain a lot. ISU is not a powerhouse, we should be happy we are in the big 12, we aren't popular enough for big 10, MWC doesn't really want us, big east is too far, why are you ******** about the only place willing to give us money.

The whole concept of a conference is that working TOGETHER for the betterment of the whole. Texas doesn't do that, they have never done that, and they will never want to do that. Like I said, they operate as if they were an independent. They just want to be able to say they belong to a conference. But conferences don't work when you have schools that don't wish to be an equal.

Conferences are very much like families, and Texas treats the rest of the league like red-headed stepchildren that they would prefer to have drown in the back pond.

 

[Marc936]

The whole concept of a conference is that working TOGETHER for the betterment of the whole. Texas doesn't do that, they have never done that, and they will never want to do that. Like I said, they operate as if they were an independent. They just want to be able to say they belong to a conference. But conferences don't work when you have schools that don't wish to be an equal.

Conferences are very much like families, and Texas treats the rest of the league like red-headed stepchildren that they would prefer to have drown in the back pond.

we dont have to stay in the big 12 league, but then again, where are we going to go. Big 12 gives us the most money, and right now its an upgrade to what we had before. Would you rather be in the big 12 right now or MAC?

you may hate texas, but still, we are just as much to blame. We can get good, dominate, and be the upper end, but we aren't putting out so tough ****.

 

[Marc936]

You really have no idea what a conference is all about, do you?

again, this is business, texas will do what benefits them, same as us. Right now big 12 is what will benefit them the most, and right now big 12 is what will benefit us the most.

if big 10 offered us to join them with a lot less pay than big 12, do u think we would jump ships? no.

 

[sunset]

again, this is business, texas will do what benefits them, same as us. Right now big 12 is what will benefit them the most, and right now big 12 is what will benefit us the most.

if big 10 offered us to join them with a lot less pay than big 12, do u think we would jump ships? no.

Again, you have no idea what a conference is all about, do you?

 

[gopherluv]

again, this is business, texas will do what benefits them, same as us. Right now big 12 is what will benefit them the most, and right now big 12 is what will benefit us the most.

if big 10 offered us to join them with a lot less pay than big 12, do u think we would jump ships? no.

By looking at the state of your conference, that business model does not work. Osborne saw that years ago. The thing that would benefit the Big 12 (as a whole) would be a conference network...not a Texas network. The Big Ten's profit sharing and financial success is proven. All schools are part of a collective and split the TV and bowl money. We have 11 wealthy programs because of it. BTW, I would love to see ISU in the Big Ten.

 

[Marc936]

By looking at the state of your conference, that business model does not work. Osborne saw that years ago. The thing that would benefit the Big 12 (as a whole) would be a conference network...not a Texas network. The Big Ten's profit sharing and financial success is proven. All schools are part of a collective and split the TV and bowl money. We have 11 wealthy programs because of it. BTW, I would love to see ISU in the Big Ten.

maybe because they have the most popular schools in highly populated areas, with the most amount of subscribers.

other than texas, we have no highly populated areas. You do realize chicago's population alone is just as much as kansas in whole?

 

[sunset]

By looking at the state of your conference, that business model does not work. Osborne saw that years ago. The thing that would benefit the Big 12 (as a whole) would be a conference network...not a Texas network. The Big Ten's profit sharing and financial success is proven. All schools are part of a collective and split the TV and bowl money. We have 11 wealthy programs because of it. BTW, I would love to see ISU in the Big Ten.

Yep, Big12 is on borrowed time with the current model. If the "get what's your's at all cost" model continues to grow, all conferences are in danger.

 

[Marc936]

Again, you have no idea what a conference is all about, do you?

you live in a capitalism country, deal with it

 

[gopherluv]

you live in a capitalism country, deal with it

I feel sorry for you if that's why you like having Texas rule over ISU. As a business man, I learned a long time ago to keep an open mind when it comes to the viability of my business. If it's broke you fix it.