Ketogenics

[AgronAlum]

I just listened to Dr. Dom D'Agostino on Joe Rogan's podcast and it's a very interesting what they're trying to do. The applications they go over are anything from epilepsy to type 1 and 2 diabetes to performance enhancement to cancer in people and pets. In short, it's a diet that makes your body run off ketones/fat instead of glucose. I wonder what long term effects this kind of diet has on the body? It's worth a listen if you're into this stuff.

 

[ArgentCy]

Have heard of it before, had to use Google to make sure this was about the Ketone diet stuff, but I am skinny enough and like sugar WAY too much to go this route.

 

[TBT]

I just listened to Dr. Dom D'Agostino on Joe Rogan's podcast and it's a very interesting what they're trying to do. The applications they go over are anything from epilepsy to type 1 and 2 diabetes to performance enhancement to cancer in people and pets. In short, it's a diet that makes your body run off ketones/fat instead of glucose. I wonder what long term effects this kind of diet has on the body? It's worth a listen if you're into this stuff.

I have done the keto diet twice, each for 5 weeks. It's a decent diet, though sometimes hard to work with. If you feel like you can give up beer, and eat ribs/chicken wings with veggies, it can be a nice trade off. I lost 15 lbs the 1st time I did it, but gained it all back within a few months after ending the diet.

 

[AgronAlum]

I have done the keto diet twice, each for 5 weeks. It's a decent diet, though sometimes hard to work with. If you feel like you can give up beer, and eat ribs/chicken wings with veggies, it can be a nice trade off. I lost 15 lbs the 1st time I did it, but gained it all back within a few months after ending the diet.

According to the doc in the podcast who seems to be the leader and originator for research on the subject it takes, on average, about 6 weeks for your body to transition. The podcast is more about the affects with the transition from glucose than the weight loss portion of the diet.

 

[cowgirl836]

Prof in college animal nutrition was never a fan of self-induced ketosis and making the brain run off of fat.

Said the weight loss portion was usually short-lived as participants would generally gain back the weight.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Prof in college animal nutrition was never a fan of self-induced ketosis and making the brain run off of fat.

Said the weight loss portion was usually short-lived as participants would generally gain back the weight.

I am sure the elimination and then the increase in carbs was a big reason for the weight loss and weight gain. When you eliminate carbs your body burns up all of it's glycogen and when they are reintroduced you restore that and it can easily result in weight gain.

Edit: Weight Loss/Gain does not equal fat loss/gain

 

[jbindm]

Prof in college animal nutrition was never a fan of self-induced ketosis and making the brain run off of fat.

Said the weight loss portion was usually short-lived as participants would generally gain back the weight.

Isn't that true for just about any diet, though?

My nephew has epilepsy, and his doctors tried the ketogenic diet on him with no noticeable success. But that's a different conversation. It's amazing how much dart throwing there is in epilepsy treatment just because of how many variables are involved. It's definitely not one size fits all treatment.

 

[bosco]

Isn't this the same thing as the Atkin's diet?

 

[intrepid27]

I lost 25 lbs on the low-carb (Atkins) diet and have kept it off for over a year and a half. After my initial weight loss which took two months I pretty much cut out most of my sugar and flour consumption. The main things I really cut out of my diet are are bread and pasta. And I probably still eat one or the other at least once per week.

My doctor said he had no problem with the Atkins diet and has done it himself.

 

[cayin]

I am not a fan of ketone diets, not at all. These guys are not well informed. Yes, they can lower your blood sugar and give you a good A1C score. But that is only because there is very little insulin being released. It treats the symptom, NOT THE PROBLEM Actually Ketone diets make you MORE insulin resistant. If you were to take a glucose tolerance test after being on a ketone diet, you would score horribly on a glucose tolerance test. Google Scott Abel, or you tube for Mastering Diabetes.

 

[theantiAIRBHG]

Ms A and I will do carb-cycles. Have our heaviest carb day of the week on Sunday and then twiddle it down by Saturday. We pair it with a few supplements and so far so good. We are trying to trick our bodies into using our stored fats instead of protein for muscle generation and energy.

She's been at it for about a year and a half and has lost 75 pounds while building great lean muscle mass. I've only been serious about it for about 5 months but have dropped 35 pounds, decreased my BF% by about 7% while adding that in MM%.

It's uber cliche, but a healthy diet, exercise and cutting back alcohol consumption can do wonders.

 

[AgronAlum]

It's uber cliche, but a healthy diet, exercise and cutting back alcohol consumption can do wonders.

Nice work on the weight loss though. Any documentation on what you are doing and taking?

 

[HGoat]

I've done the ketogenic diet several times and had really good luck with it for losing the stubborn belly fat around my torso and hips. I do find that on about day 4/5 I feel pretty lethargic and my performance in workouts decline, but once I'm fully in ketosis I don't see any decline in my performance.

Detractors of the diet worry about heart disease with the high cholesterol/saturated fat consumption required in the diet. There is now research suggesting that saturated fat/cholesterol is not to blame for this. Cholesterol levels in your blood can be altered by your diet, but by far the biggest factor is genetics. The problem is inflammation- Cholesterol binding to the walls of arteries to help repair them when they are damaged. No matter whether you have high cholesterol or low cholesterol, everyone has high enough cholesterol levels in blood to cause artherosclerosis if the arteries are damaged

It is certainly still up for debate. It is my personal opinion that added/processed sugar in our diet is a major cause. While I was doing my graduate work at Colorado State in Anatomy/Physiology, we covered this topic extensively and I found the divide between some of my professors on this issue fascinating.

Related reading: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/103/25/e132

 

[NorthCyd]

Isn't this the same thing as the adkins diet?

 

[SpokaneCY]

I just listened to Dr. Dom D'Agostino on Joe Rogan's podcast and it's a very interesting what they're trying to do. The applications they go over are anything from epilepsy to type 1 and 2 diabetes to performance enhancement to cancer in people and pets. In short, it's a diet that makes your body run off ketones/fat instead of glucose. I wonder what long term effects this kind of diet has on the body? It's worth a listen if you're into this stuff.

I've been keto for over a year. Simple and easy. Off all but 1 "lifestyle" drug (blood pressure) but that's coming down.

It's no longer my "diet" - it's the way I want to eat to feel better and healthier.

One of the guys I read is Dr. Jeff Volek - he's a researcher and is way into the science of what happens and not just the superficial stuff.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Prof in college animal nutrition was never a fan of self-induced ketosis and making the brain run off of fat.

Said the weight loss portion was usually short-lived as participants would generally gain back the weight.

Your results may vary. Mine did - lost 30 pounds and have kept it off for over a year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I am not a fan of ketone diets, not at all. These guys are not well informed. Yes, they can lower your blood sugar and give you a good A1C score. But that is only because there is very little insulin being released. It treats the symptom, NOT THE PROBLEM Actually Ketone diets make you MORE insulin resistant. If you were to take a glucose tolerance test after being on a ketone diet, you would score horribly on a glucose tolerance test. Google Scott Abel, or you tube for Mastering Diabetes.

Would never tell anyone how they should eat, but I do listen to Jeff Volek and read (and sometimes follow) his decades and decades of research into this topic.

http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/

 

[SpokaneCY]

I've done the ketogenic diet several times and had really good luck with it for losing the stubborn belly fat around my torso and hips. I do find that on about day 4/5 I feel pretty lethargic and my performance in workouts decline, but once I'm fully in ketosis I don't see any decline in my performance.

Detractors of the diet worry about heart disease with the high cholesterol/saturated fat consumption required in the diet. There is now research suggesting that saturated fat/cholesterol is not to blame for this. Cholesterol levels in your blood can be altered by your diet, but by far the biggest factor is genetics. The problem is inflammation- Cholesterol binding to the walls of arteries to help repair them when they are damaged. No matter whether you have high cholesterol or low cholesterol, everyone has high enough cholesterol levels in blood to cause artherosclerosis if the arteries are damaged

It is certainly still up for debate. It is my personal opinion that added/processed sugar in our diet is a major cause. While I was doing my graduate work at Colorado State in Anatomy/Physiology, we covered this topic extensively and I found the divide between some of my professors on this issue fascinating.

Related reading: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/103/25/e132

I ranked this "useful". Thanks for offering your experience without bashing anyone over the head with your opinions!

I love keto BTW.

 

[CascadeClone]

Wife did Ideal Protein, which is like super-Atkins and no carbs and put your body into ketosis. She ate a LOT of green leafy stuff and meat for a couple months. And drank lots of water.

Lost ~60 pounds in 2 months. Felt great getting all the processed stuff out of her body - less joint pain, bloating, etc. She did not have any adverse effects from it. I was shocked she was able to stick to it that long, it was a tough regimen.

Went off the wagon and gained it all back, and then some. Not the diets fault.

You are supposed to transition from mega restrictive to a basically traditional healthy diet once you get closer to your weight goal. But she never got to that point.

 

[cayin]

Wife did Ideal Protein, which is like super-Atkins and no carbs and put your body into ketosis. She ate a LOT of green leafy stuff and meat for a couple months. And drank lots of water.

Lost ~60 pounds in 2 months. Felt great getting all the processed stuff out of her body - less joint pain, bloating, etc. She did not have any adverse effects from it. I was shocked she was able to stick to it that long, it was a tough regimen.

Went off the wagon and gained it all back, and then some. Not the diets fault.

You are supposed to transition from mega restrictive to a basically traditional healthy diet once you get closer to your weight goal. But she never got to that point.

You have to optimize metabolism, the keto diet doesn't address this. It's not sustainable.