Khabib vs Mcgregor

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah. I agree. Khabib didn't look like McGregor gave him much of a challenge at all. He had his way with him in the first two rounds, and then stood toe to toe in round 3, basically mocking McGregor's "dominant" striking prowess. And then in round four he got the choke out.

McGregor's game has never been about grappling, and he's totally outclassed by Khabib in that area. He's not going to just get good at it in a year or two.

Actually, in the first Khabib was able to do nothing once on the ground. He couldn't do what he wanted to do at all. He won the round but it was hardly impressive. The second round was a beating and probably a 10-8 round. When they stood up in the third round, Conor won the round and then in the 4th, Khabib was finally able to advance positions like he wanted to and once he got into full mount it was over. Conor made some things harder than I think KN thought they'd be which I don't think most people recognize.

So, I don't think Conor wins a rematch but I don't think it's a "punchers chance" scenario either. He has some pretty good takedown defense for someone who is constantly said to have no wrestling. We'll see. I don't want to see it for awhile. I'd rather see Kevin Lee get a shot at Khabib. That guy's been ****** because he didn't pull out of the Ferguson fight like he should have after having staph.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I think Dana would be dumb to make an immediate rematch. Connor needs to fight some strikers like Porier or Diaz and build his credibility up a little bit. Get a couple wins. If he goes back in and get's destroyed by Khabib. He will lose a lot more. Khabib fight will always be there for him. Fight two guys and win. Which I am not sure how he would do again against Diaz or Porier. At least he won't get smoked again by Khabib right off the bat.

The problem is if something happens and Khabib loses a couple times, that fight isn't much because all Khabib has to sell is that 27-0 legacy. He's otherwise very boring.

 

[Tre4ISU]

After White didn't suspend McGregor for the bus incident, a lot of people would cry foul if he suspended Khabib. This way White can retain a little credibility.

I think a suspension there would have just been considered lip service anyway. A suspension was the least of his worries.

 

[Dandy]

I think Dana would be dumb to make an immediate rematch. Connor needs to fight some strikers like Porier or Diaz and build his credibility up a little bit. Get a couple wins. If he goes back in and get's destroyed by Khabib. He will lose a lot more. Khabib fight will always be there for him. Fight two guys and win. Which I am not sure how he would do again against Diaz or Porier. At least he won't get smoked again by Khabib right off the bat.

Conor has proved he can stand and beat strikers. He should have to build his credibility against wrestlers before he gets Khabib again.

Plus like I said earlier Tony Ferguson should get his shot before a rematch.

 

[Knownothing]

Conor has proved he can stand and beat strikers. He should have to build his credibility against wrestlers before he gets Khabib again.

Plus like I said earlier Tony Ferguson should get his shot before a rematch.

You are looking at it differently than me. You are looking at it like him fighting for a championship. I am looking at it like him getting some wins to sell to a crowd. Obviously any other fighter you would put against a couple wrestlers. However, with McGregor he just needs to knock a few guys out to show the world he is still great and he can run smack again. If you put him against wrestlers he could easily lose and that would be really bad for business.

 

[Dandy]

You are looking at it differently than me. You are looking at it like him fighting for a championship. I am looking at it like him getting some wins to sell to a crowd. Obviously any other fighter you would put against a couple wrestlers. However, with McGregor he just needs to knock a few guys out to show the world he is still great and he can run smack again. If you put him against wrestlers he could easily lose and that would be really bad for business.

Good points

 

[Mr Janny]

Actually, in the first Khabib was able to do nothing once on the ground. He couldn't do what he wanted to do at all. He won the round but it was hardly impressive. The second round was a beating and probably a 10-8 round. When they stood up in the third round, Conor won the round and then in the 4th, Khabib was finally able to advance positions like he wanted to and once he got into full mount it was over. Conor made some things harder than I think KN thought they'd be which I don't think most people recognize.

So, I don't think Conor wins a rematch but I don't think it's a "punchers chance" scenario either. He has some pretty good takedown defense for someone who is constantly said to have no wrestling. We'll see. I don't want to see it for awhile. I'd rather see Kevin Lee get a shot at Khabib. That guy's been ****** because he didn't pull out of the Ferguson fight like he should have after having staph.

That first round was all about sapping McGregor's stamina. It's draining to be controlled like that. McGregor typically comes out with a ton of energy. The strategy was to get him down, take away his ability to strike, and drain his stamina. Khabib did exactly that. You could tell immediately from round 1 how that fight was going to end. The only chance McGregor had was when they were both upright. It was clear that Khabib was superior on the mat.

 

[Dandy]

Joe Rogan is to have on McGregor's manager on the podcast today. Should be a good listen.

Live on Youtube right now with Conor's coach and his Nutritionist

 

[Tre4ISU]

That first round was all about sapping McGregor's stamina. It's draining to be controlled like that. McGregor typically comes out with a ton of energy. The strategy was to get him down, take away his ability to strike, and drain his stamina. Khabib did exactly that. You could tell immediately from round 1 how that fight was going to end. The only chance McGregor had was when they were both upright. It was clear that Khabib was superior on the mat.

That's been clear for the entirety of their careers.

Also, I don't think Conor was all that zapped after the first round. He wasn't really doing much and he took no damage. It's also kind of draining to hold someone down for that amount of time as well.

 

[Mr Janny]

That's been clear for the entirety of their careers.

Also, I don't think Conor was all that zapped after the first round. He wasn't really doing much and he took no damage. It's also kind of draining to hold someone down for that amount of time as well.

Look at how heavy Conor was breathing after the first round compared to Khabib. His shoulders were heaving. That first round was way harder on him than Khabib.

 

[Knownothing]

The other point is wrestlers are just flat out cardio monsters and are used to the ground game. Strikers are not known as guys who have wrestling cardio no matter how well the train for it.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Look at how heavy Conor was breathing after the first round compared to Khabib. His shoulders were heaving. That first round was way harder on him than Khabib.

Right but he was in much better shape than he was in the past. If he wasn't, he gets finished/quits in the second. He took an absolute beating and then won the third. Now, part of that was Khabib wanting to knock him out standing, which seems like an awful idea, but still. Besides all of that, everyone's breathing heavy in that sport. Being able to recover is a skill as well. It looks like that's where CM got better as far as cardio.

 

[Cydkar]

Yeah, Khabib looks like the real deal (if he's allowed back in Dana White's graces).

Dana won't be the issue.

 

[Cydkar]

Actually, in the first Khabib was able to do nothing once on the ground. He couldn't do what he wanted to do at all. He won the round but it was hardly impressive. The second round was a beating and probably a 10-8 round. When they stood up in the third round, Conor won the round and then in the 4th, Khabib was finally able to advance positions like he wanted to and once he got into full mount it was over. Conor made some things harder than I think KN thought they'd be which I don't think most people recognize.

So, I don't think Conor wins a rematch but I don't think it's a "punchers chance" scenario either. He has some pretty good takedown defense for someone who is constantly said to have no wrestling. We'll see. I don't want to see it for awhile. I'd rather see Kevin Lee get a shot at Khabib. That guy's been ****** because he didn't pull out of the Ferguson fight like he should have after having staph.

I'm a big K. Lee fan.

 

[Dandy]

The other point is wrestlers are just flat out cardio monsters and are used to the ground game. Strikers are not known as guys who have wrestling cardio no matter how well the train for it.

Heard a story that apparently Khabib is a cardio monster. He will bring five dudes in and wrestle each of them back to back. He'll wrestle the first until that guy can't go anymore then he'll bring in another, etc. After like 90 minutes of grappling the five dudes will be on the floor and he'll be on his feet like nothing even happened.

 

[Mr Janny]

Sounds like the Nevada State Athletic Commission is filing complaints against both McGregor and Khabib.
http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...habib-nurmagomedov-face-nsac-complaints-brawl
I hadn't heard the "McGregor threw the first punch" angle before.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Sounds like the Nevada State Athletic Commission is filing complaints against both McGregor and Khabib.
http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...habib-nurmagomedov-face-nsac-complaints-brawl
I hadn't heard the "McGregor threw the first punch" angle before.

I suppose technically that could be argued but they gave him his purse right away after seeing the footage so I don't get it. McGregor certainly didn't start that thing. He was sitting on the ground propped up by the cage.

 

[Gunnerclone]

An orchestrated “fight/melee” at the end wtf? I thought wwe was moving towards mma but I guess it’s the opposite. Their numbers must really be sagging.

 

[Tre4ISU]

So here's what I think the UFC needs to work/hope for:

1. Diaz beat Poirier
2. You get Ferguson and Khabib set up for Jan/Feb.
3. Winner there fights Diaz for the title. You hope that it's Khabib or Diaz coming through.
4. Loser of 2 gets Mcgregor or you give them to Kevin Lee and Poirier gets McGregor a little earlier
5. In the end, you hope this leads to a Khabib/Diaz title fight and really you probably hope it's Diaz. There really aren't bad options there especially if you have Lee/McGregor/Poirier sitting around in the case of an injury while Diaz, Ferguson and Khabib settle the title between the three. There's probably 3-4 years worth of fights there considering none are that old and you could have the belt going back and forth all the time.

 

[Knownothing]

Dana just said he thinks a 250k fine and 4-6 month suspension from Nevada. Basically the normal amount of time off between fights anyway. That’s what he is hoping for.