Leath

[Cycl1]

In the encounter that got Bubu arrested, one party claims they weren't willingly involved. Has Bubu proven that this claim is false? As far as I know, that claim has not been proven true or false.

True. It's only been shown that the accusing party was at least partially lying about the event. If I claim someone hit me, and show them a bruise I got by running into a table as proof of being hit by the person, it doesn't mean the person didn't hit me, just means I am not to be trusted.

 

[Cy$]

It was honestly pointless sending that mass e-mail out to students unless some upper authority made him do it. Said nothing that anybody knows already.

 

[Wesley]

Some of this may be true, but campustown redevelopment has been a goal of the University and city for some time now (well before Leath). Therefore I think the density would have increased regardless of who is president, also they want to diversify the area so it isn't just dive bars (which might help reduce the binge drinking culture there a bit. IC has a very high density of students living in and around their downtown/campustown yet they don't have as big of problem, because they don't have a riot inducing festival that VEISHEA has unfortunately become. Also, I'm not sure your campustown argument really makes sense since the properties currently being leased in campustown had students living in them before ISU began to lease them, ISU has actually cleaned them up and kept the partying out of the ones they lease, now in the future density will be increasing greatly as new developments are being built but currently density isn't much different than its been for a few years. However there are more students attending ISU and living in Ames (increase has mostly been in other areas) so that is where your argument may have some validity. Still think the main problem is the hype around VEISHEA being a huge drunken out of control party with riots (which is backed up by the problems over the past 25 years).

So where will the binge drinking now move to?

 

[Angie]

Bubu and the female involved admitted that they had had a "friends with benefits" relationship for a long time before the incident. How the hell can you criticize the "immorality" of just one of the two parties willingly involved?

You don't see a difference between having consensual sex and rape?

 

[Angie]

All Leath did was go hide in a closet with few constructive suggestions. Blame the rioters. Blame the enablers. Blame the fball players. Yet I do not see much effort to find a solution except to ****can everything.

He gets a C- for effort. Maybe he had to go on another safari.

who do you propose receives the blame, if not the rioters, enablers, and involved football players?!

 

[cyclone87]

So where will the binge drinking now move to?

Oh there will still be binge drinking, just not as many establishments that embrace it hopefully (right now thats all there is down there).

 

[JP4CY]

who do you propose receives the blame, if not the rioters, enablers, and involved football players?!

I think Wesbot is agreeing those people are held liable he's looking for other solutions from Leath.

 

[cylove]

All Leath did was go hide in a closet with few constructive suggestions. Blame the rioters. Blame the enablers. Blame the fball players. Yet I do not see much effort to find a solution except to ****can everything.

He gets a C- for effort. Maybe he had to go on another safari.

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Thanks Obama

 

[SCarolinaCy]

Leath has been generally good. Like it was mentioned above, he is terrible at PR. The one thing that troubles me is how he fired the ISU Foundation Director, who was the leader in the "Campaign Iowa State- With Pride and Purpose" which raised something like $867million.

Link?

 

[Wesley]

I think Wesbot is agreeing those people are held liable he's looking for other solutions from Leath.

Absolutely. Bury your head in the sand. Many VEISHA activities during the day were not alcoholic adventures. It was nighttime problems. Perhaps a superior concert outdoors in JTS would keep some of the shenanigans off the street.

 

[Rabbuk]

Absolutely. Bury your head in the sand. many VEISHA activities during the day were not alcoholic adventures. It was nighttime problems. Perhaps a superior concert outdoors in JTS would keep some of the shenangans off the street.

I like this idea.

 

[Transient]

Just to derail the convo slightly I talked to Pres Leath today at the fair, he looked like he was getting tired of commenting on the Veisha deal haha. Anyways he said demolition on Davidson Hall is set to begin within 6 months, YEAH a shiny new building on Campus!

 

[LostinIowaCity]

Here's my two cents: I've talked to several people throughout the community and none of them blame Leath for the decision. In fact, most agree with the decision, but are disappointed that certain things are ending (mostly the parade for children).

Admittedly, the people I talked to are all non-students, but I think the Ames community widely agreed with the decision.

 

[cylove]

All Leath did was go hide in a closet with few constructive suggestions. Blame the rioters. Blame the enablers. Blame the fball players. Yet I do not see much effort to find a solution except to ****can everything.

He gets a C- for effort. Maybe he had to go on another safari.

First, you're kidding, right?

Second, you umm are a big personal responsibilty person, at least the people that you follow and link like it's gospel, how is this anything but the rioters fault?

 

[Wesley]

First, you're kidding, right?

Second, you umm are a big personal responsibilty person, at least the people that you follow and link like it's gospel, how is this anything but the rioters fault?

That is what I said. Blame the people who rioted.

Yet be more constructive than cancelling everything. Have a semi future plan of something for spring thrown on the table. Hiding behind the zombie committee is....hiding.

 

[cylove]

That is what I said. Blame the people who rioted.

Yet be more constructive than cancelling everything. Have a semi future plan of something for spring thrown on the table. Hiding behind the zombie committee is....hiding.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were implying.

However, this is not your grandfather's VEISHA anymore. It has become a glorified Mardi Gras. Kids no longer think of this as a celebration of Iowa State, at least until their parents arrive. This has become all about the party.

There are only so many chances you can give before you have to take it away.

 

[CycloneErik]

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were implying.

However, this is not your grandfather's VEISHA anymore. It has become a glorified Mardi Gras. Kids no longer think of this as a celebration of Iowa State, at least until their parents arrive. This has become all about the party.

There are only so many chances you can give before you have to take it away.

Interesting ISU connection here: Wesleybot's grandfather is the original Atanasoff computer.
True story.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I shouldn't be surprised that people are blaming Leath for VEISHA and not the drunken ****** bag rioters. In this day and age where people blame McDonalds for them being a fat ***, of course people are going to put the blame anywhere other than where it belongs. I'm addicted to meth, but it's not my fault, it's the fault of the manager at Walgreens for selling me Sudafed that I can use to make it. I'm massively in debt because I like to spend a bunch of money on clothes, but it's not my fault, it's Macys fault because their clothes are nice.

How many chances do you get before you call it a night? People talk about trying to control the alcohol, but does anyone remember why supposedly the hostilities originally causing the 04 riot happened? It's because VEISHA was dry and the students didn't like it. You can live in an idealistic world all you want and pretend like students care about more than drinking, but it's just not the truth. Even if you improved the concert series as suggested here, do you HONESTLY think that will cause most of the students drinking on Welch or going go house parties to go there instead? And even if they do, what do you think they're going to do after the concert? Go to Perkins for pie?

 

[jkclone]

I shouldn't be surprised that people are blaming Leath for VEISHA and not the drunken ****** bag rioters. In this day and age where people blame McDonalds for them being a fat ***, of course people are going to put the blame anywhere other than where it belongs. I'm addicted to meth, but it's not my fault, it's the fault of the manager at Walgreens for selling me Sudafed that I can use to make it. I'm massively in debt because I like to spend a bunch of money on clothes, but it's not my fault, it's Macys fault because their clothes are nice.

How many chances do you get before you call it a night? People talk about trying to control the alcohol, but does anyone remember why supposedly the hostilities originally causing the 04 riot happened? It's because VEISHA was dry and the students didn't like it. You can live in an idealistic world all you want and pretend like students care about more than drinking, but it's just not the truth. Even if you improved the concert series as suggested here, do you HONESTLY think that will cause most of the students drinking on Welch or going go house parties to go there instead? And even if they do, what do you think they're going to do after the concert? Go to Perkins for pie?

What do you think canceling the non problem activities is going to do. Absolutely nothing there are already multiple unofficial VEISHA party things.

That is where the problem lies your punishing people not involved in something for the actions of others and the punishment more than likely isn't even going to stop the problems.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

What do you think canceling the non problem activities is going to do. Absolutely nothing there are already multiple unofficial VEISHA party things.

That is where the problem lies your punishing people not involved in something for the actions of others and the punishment more than likely isn't even going to stop the problems.

So let's say you and your sibling are taken to the park by your mom. You're all having fun and playing, but your sibling is being a brat, throwing fits and breaking playground equiptment. Is your mom just going to leave you there while taking your sibling home to punish them? Or are you going to have to go with even though you were behaving yourself? Often in life, everyone gets punished because others are misbehaving. Same as in sports. When I played, the whole team ran when one person did something stupid.

And I think it will prevent things. Off the top of my head, I can't think of all too many student riots in Ames outside of VEISHA.