Let's end some myths

CYKOFAN

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I actually get tired of defending Morgan, but I've stated before that as long as some keep posting rumors and opinions that ignore the facts, I'll keep defending Morgan. Myth 1 is that Morgan could recruit but couldn't coach. Then how do people explain that he beat many ranked teams that had NBA talent while he had none of his own. His record against ranked teams is far better than even Orr, Floyd and LE, who had pros like Grayer, Hornacek, Hoiberg, Cato, Fizer and Tinsley to work with. Another myth is that his practices were unorganized chaos (though that's contradicted by some). So again how did he beat those ranked teams and go 5-2 in the NIT and NCAA? Don't most coaches say that a team plays like it practices? Again a myth that holds no water. Another myth is that Morgan had undisciplined players that some have called thugs. George is the only player I can think of who got in trouble and he was booted immediately. In fact I haven't heard of any of Morgan's kids in any trouble since they graduated. Fact is almost all of Morgan's recruits were good kids and still are. Fact is Morgan did a very good job at ISU, especially taking over a program in scandal and having trouble getting anybody to take the job. Defend Mac all you want, just don't do it by dissing Morgan because that's ignoring the facts.
 
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clones_jer

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While I would prefer more spaces and paragraph seperation, I agree with your point.

Morgan gets badmouthed because it needs to be that way or the current adminstration takes a lot of heat. He did a pretty bang-up job for being the 10th or 12th candidate on the list, and does not get enough credit for it.
 

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Is the accusation he let players drive themselves to away games a myth too? Just curious
 

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Another Morgan Myth:

He left the program in shambles, got us put on NCAA probation and close to the so-called "death penalty". I can't believe how many posters on here actually believe this to a degree. The fact is we never were put on any type of NCAA probation for that whole scheduling thing. It turned out to be a minor issue.
 
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jdoggivjc

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Fine - time to break up what seems to be the #1 myth of them all-

Just because McDermott hasn't worked out here (to this point) means that it was an absolute mistake to get rid of Morgan. Which is an absolute fallacy - just because McDermott followed Morgan has absolutely no bearing on whether it was the wrong decision to fire Morgan. But yet most Morgan defenders want to link the two together - "McDermott's been an absolute failure - we never should never have fired Morgan!" They are two independent arguments, yet people continue to argue as if they're related.

As far as Morgan being a good gameday coach - I didn't realize good gameday coaches fell asleep on the bench in the middle of the game...
 
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Another Morgan Myth: He left the program in shambles, got us put on NCAA probation and close to the so-called "death penalty". I can't believe how many posters on here actually believe this to a degree. The fact is we never were put on any type of NCAA probation for that whole scheduling thing. It turned out to be a minor issue.

Wrong...A lot had to due with coaching change, but still wrong.
 

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As far as Morgan being a good gameday coach - I didn't realize good gameday coaches fell asleep on the bench in the middle of the game...

it would have been a better potshot if our current coach won games by staying awake.
 

jdoggivjc

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it would have been a better potshot if our current coach won games by staying awake.

Once again - quit relating the two. McDermott's failure as ISU's head coach has no bearing as to whether we should have kept Morgan or not - the essence of my entire argument which you completely and conveniently ignored..
 

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Once again - quit relating the two. McDermott's failure as ISU's head coach has no bearing as to whether we should have kept Morgan or not - the essence of my entire argument which you completely and conveniently ignored..

fine,

-> GMac should win more.
-> Morgan is also a type of pony.
 

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I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Morgan was a bad bench coach. Just because he was passive on the bench, didn't make him a bad bench coach. Also, he had players he trusted to make in game changes based on what they see on the court. Was Tony Dungy a bad coach for letting Peyton Manning change plays at the line? Granted, comparing Wayne to Dungy is a bit of a weak comparssion, but you get my point...
 

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jdoggivjc-Believe me, my outrage at Morgan getting canned goes back 4 years and has nothing to do with GMac. I don't know if posts can be checked out back that far, but I can assure you I was screaming bloody murder about the possibility of Morgan getting canned even before it happened.
 

jdoggivjc

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I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Morgan was a bad bench coach. Just because he was passive on the bench, didn't make him a bad bench coach. Also, he had players he trusted to make in game changes based on what they see on the court. Was Tony Dungy a bad coach for letting Peyton Manning change plays at the line? Granted, comparing Wayne to Dungy is a bit of a weak comparssion, but you get my point...

The difference being Peyton Manning wins games when coaches put the game in his hands. That same strategy cost us about as many games as it won us because our players weren't disciplined enough to make the right decisions down the stretch (yeah, yeah, I know - our current set of players aren't very disciplined, either).
 

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