With how long it took Prohm to bench guys like Holden, Beverly, even Bowie, maybe he’ll keep this starting five going until forced to change.
Totally different scenarios. He has options now and he didn't then.
With how long it took Prohm to bench guys like Holden, Beverly, even Bowie, maybe he’ll keep this starting five going until forced to change.
Not really. Lard was one of those options a year ago. If Jeff Beverly can hold off Lard for many games, Jacobson and THT can also.Totally different scenarios. He has options now and he didn't then.
Not really. Lard was one of those options a year ago. If Jeff Beverly can hold off Lard for many games, Jacobson and THT can also.
More options, but the current starters are not Beverly level.
Yes Lard was an option and was better than Beverly out of the gate, but I assume it was important to send the message to Lard (and the team) that him being better than Beverly wasn't good enough. He needed to bring it every day so he and the team can reach their potential.Not really. Lard was one of those options a year ago. If Jeff Beverly can hold off Lard for many games, Jacobson and THT can also.
More options, but the current starters are not Beverly level.
What makes you think it’s any different now, other than Jacobson being at least Lard’s equal.Yes Lard was an option and was better than Beverly out of the gate, but I assume it was important to send the message to Lard (and the team) that him being better than Beverly wasn't good enough. He needed to bring it every day so he and the team can reach their potential.
What makes you think it’s any different now, other than Jacobson being at least Lard’s equal.
There you go again, thinking hope of improvement is the equivalent of 7 games, as well as the games. We have a lot of data on Lard as a player."Jacobson being at least Lard’s equal?" Could you please share what information you have re: Lard's current playing abilities which allow you to make this comparison? Not saying your statement isn't true, just wanting some facts/observations by people who have seen Lard's game NOW vs. last year. As far as what I can gather from articles/message boards, Lard is dominant in practices. I assume that Jacobson and Lard go head-to-head frequently in practice.
Thanks in advance for the information.
I do not think we need to act like we were debating extremes here.
We are not debating who should play 35 minutes and who should ride the pine every night. Everybody thinks they are both going to be key contributors.
Using the political analogy, we are debate if a tax rate should be 30% or 35%. We are not debating single-payer healthcare versus abolishing Medicare entirely.
And nothing between that -- one or the other.
The crux of the debate was who starts of Jacobson and Lard -- see the thread title for lineups -- and therefore which of the two was "better."
I think all of us would basically agree...
-- Jacobson has a more polished offensive game and is more fundamentally sound on defense, but Lard can protect the rim and grab more on the offensive boards
-- Jacobson has an outside game on offense and defense, which is a good fit with our system, but it also makes him a viable Stretch-4 with Lard bringing a whole new level of ups, athleticism, and energy to the 5 spot near the rim, even if he has no range
-- both are likely to play significant, starter-like minutes, and I think most of us agree with us possessing six men right now with credible cases to be in the starting lineup
I think we would agree on these fundamental, bedrock principles with each other.
Everything else after that was just for fun.![]()
There you go again, thinking hope of improvement is the equivalent of 7 games, as well as the games. We have a lot of data on Lard as a player.
Sticking with seven games being insignificant of a sample compared to hope? Remember when you claimed past data shouldn’t be used?I must have missed games in which Lard played THIS SEASON. Pray tell all of us what CURRENT data exists on Lard's game?
Thanks.
There you go again, thinking hope of improvement is the equivalent of 7 games, as well as the games. We have a lot of data on Lard as a player.
This started with someone saying it was silly to have Jacobson starting over Lard and another saying Lard was a better defender basing it off last year. Those cannot be made without assuming something about Lard on even less data than what we have on Jacobson.Yes, we have PAST data on Lard as a player. We are now in the 2018-19 season. I have not said that Lard IS currently better/equal than Jacobson, only that we don't have enough data to reach a conclusion either way. Since you apparently do not have CURRENT data on Lard's abilities, reaching a conclusion about Lard is baseless.
Great summary!
Whoever starts has some serious help with how well the wings are at digging this season. I like that they've gone away from straight up doubling the post to just digging constantly.
Probably in the minority, but I would limit Babb's minutes and play whichever combo of freshman at guard works out the best all season.
This started with someone saying it was silly to have Jacobson starting over Lard and another saying Lard was a better defender basing it off last year. Those cannot be made without assuming something about Lard on even less data than what we have on Jacobson.
You’re playing “we don’t know” card, which is completely invalid. We know a lot more than we don’t. We don’t have data on how any players will be performing in March, but I assume you don’t have Wigginton sitting behind Haliburton.
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