Lineup Talk

[srjclone]

247 write up on teams this pre-season. Iowa State listed as one of 5 teams that could "FLIP THEIR FORTUNES FROM ROUGH 2017-18 SEASONS"

https://247sports.com/ContentGaller...-Kansas-Duke-Kentucky-118653840/#118653840_21

 

[Sigmapolis]

Lard at 30 minutes might be optimistic unless he finds a way to foul less (or not get picked on by the refs, which was part of his problem last year). I also think we will play a little more small ball at the 4, in part because it's a luxury we didn't have much last year.

Edit- so maybe take 5 from Young at the 4, give those to THT or Talley, and give him 5 more of Lard's minutes at the 5.

Here is a chart of Lard's playing time by game last season...



His era of limited minutes was early in the season. That eventually went away. I would imagine those had to do with (1.) still in the doghouse for whatever left him suspended the first two games, (2.) maybe not quite in peak playing shape yet, (3.) the foul problems, and (4.) had not quite earned his permanent starting spot over the senior in Beverly quite yet.

However, come the early part of conference season (when Young was still healthy and, therefore, Lard was not terrified to foul like he was at the end of the season when he had to play 35+ per night by necessity AND not foul out), he was playing 30+ minutes every game and managing to not foul himself out of the contest. He seemed to have learned his lesson.

From the home KSU game through the home KU game (the last one where NWB played and our lineups started getting weird because of injuries), he averaged 29.6 minutes per game. I do not see why he could not do the same next year with some better coaching, conditioning, and more experience defending at this level. At least, I hope he should be able to do it.

He is clearly one of our best four guys heading into next year with Wigginton, NWB, and Shayok. Your best four should play 30+ per night (if not more than that).

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

9 guy rotation. If ZG makes that rotation he is way better than I expect

3 guaranteed starters LW, MS, CL (obviously injury or trouble not taken into consideration)

My starting 5
LW, MS, THT, SY, CL

First game
LW, MS, NWB, SY, CL

Final thought. There will be plenty of times where SY and CL are on the floor at different times playing the 5. I just think that they have shown some good chemistry and unselfishness last year that they will both be starters.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Realistically, there are 4 starters who are locks

NWB
LW
MS
CL

The battle will be for the 5th spot, which could be one of 4, SY, THT, MJ, or ZT.

Clearly right there will be the top 8, and will be a very, very good top 8. Probably one of the best 1-8's that I remember ISU having.

 

[HardcoreClone]

Realistically, there are 4 starters who are locks

NWB
LW
MS
CL

The battle will be for the 5th spot, which could be one of 4, SY, THT, MJ, or ZT.

Clearly right there will be the top 8, and will be a very, very good top 8. Probably one of the best 1-8's that I remember ISU having.

I completely agree with you on that first 4 and the remaining battle for 5th spot. Although, I hesitate to rule out Terrence Lewis as a candidate for rotational minutes. We could use some additional perimeter punch off the bench. TL's minutes will be dependent on him: 1)defending adequately, 2)being lethal from 3, 3)NWB's health, 4)how good THT actually is, and 5)foul trouble.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Here is a chart of Lard's playing time by game last season...

View attachment 55368

His era of limited minutes was early in the season. That eventually went away. I would imagine those had to do with (1.) still in the doghouse for whatever left him suspended the first two games, (2.) maybe not quite in peak playing shape yet, (3.) the foul problems, and (4.) had not quite earned his permanent starting spot over the senior in Beverly quite yet.

However, come the early part of conference season (when Young was still healthy and, therefore, Lard was not terrified to foul like he was at the end of the season when he had to play 35+ per night by necessity AND not foul out), he was playing 30+ minutes every game and managing to not foul himself out of the contest. He seemed to have learned his lesson.

From the home KSU game through the home KU game (the last one where NWB played and our lineups started getting weird because of injuries), he averaged 29.6 minutes per game. I do not see why he could not do the same next year with some better coaching, conditioning, and more experience defending at this level. At least, I hope he should be able to do it.

He is clearly one of our best four guys heading into next year with Wigginton, NWB, and Shayok. Your best four should play 30+ per night (if not more than that).

Don't come at with me things like facts.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Don't come at with me things like facts.

You sound like people in the Cave.

 

[jbindm]

Realistically, there are 4 starters who are locks

NWB
LW
MS
CL

The battle will be for the 5th spot, which could be one of 4, SY, THT, MJ, or ZT.

Clearly right there will be the top 8, and will be a very, very good top 8. Probably one of the best 1-8's that I remember ISU having.

I keep forgetting about Talley. He's going to be a really important utility player in the rotation next year with his versatility.

 

[Rabbuk]

I don't know if Solo is a lock to start either. He is serviceable, but i feel other options are more talented.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I don't know if Solo is a lock to start either. He is serviceable, but i feel other options are more talented.

He gets overlooked, but he's our best defender down low, and holds his position on the boards too. I feel like he sets better screens than Lard as well.

 

[IASTATE07]

I think THT will start from day one.

NWB
Wigginton
THT
Shayok
Lard

I'm not sure who is the point or if it's by committee, but I like the flexibility we will have this year with the line-ups.

 

[jbindm]

I don't know if Solo is a lock to start either. He is serviceable, but i feel other options are more talented.

True, but that's where the old axiom about playing your best five and not your five best comes into play.

There might be more talented options, but Solo is the dirty work guy - the one guy who we know can set a good screen and bang in the low post on defense. He does the little things, and could be a nice complement to four other guys who are more than capable of putting up points in bunches. I think what might hold him back from starting in the front court alongside Lard is how it might affect the spacing for the offense.

 

[jbindm]

I think THT will start from day one.

NWB
Wigginton
THT
Shayok
Lard

I'm not sure who is the point or if it's by committee, but I like the flexibility we will have this year with the line-ups.

Agreed. If all the new guys deliver on the hype, Prohm is going to have the ability to play just about any style he wants.

 

[brokenloginagain]

i'll just be happy we have 10+ guys at practice so we can learn some inbounding plays.

 

[cykee05]

Starters:
Wigginton
NWB
Shayok
Lard
Young

Rotation (15-20 min.)
Jacobsen (inevitable foul trouble with Solo and/or Lard)
Talley (played well down the stretch, versatile)
Horton-Tucker (Prove you are B12 ready)
Lewis (Got to be the 3 and D type role player)

 

[Sigmapolis]

I was screwing around with my Monte Carlo skills today.

Given the parameters in my "bar" post above, here is the predicted distribution of lineups across the eight players given my minutes/positions.

It assumes "random" groupings of players, not set rotations.

13.83% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Jacobson Lard
13.77% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Lard
6.91% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Lard
6.88% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Young Lard
6.85% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Young Lard
6.80% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Talley Lard
4.68% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Jacobson Lard
4.62% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Jacobson Young
4.59% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Young
4.56% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Lard
4.55% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Lard
2.38% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Young Lard
2.35% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Talley Young
2.34% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Young Lard
2.25% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Lard
2.25% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Young Lard
2.22% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Young
1.55% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Young
1.55% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Lard
1.53% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Young
1.50% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Jacobson Young
0.77% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Young
0.75% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Young Lard
0.54% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Young

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

I was screwing around with my Monte Carlo skills today.

Given the parameters in my "bar" post above, here is the predicted distribution of lineups across the eight players given my minutes/positions.

It assumes "random" groupings of players, not set rotations.

13.83% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Jacobson Lard
13.77% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Lard
6.91% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Lard
6.88% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Young Lard
6.85% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Young Lard
6.80% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Talley Lard
4.68% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Jacobson Lard
4.62% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Jacobson Young
4.59% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Young
4.56% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Lard
4.55% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Lard
2.38% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Young Lard
2.35% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Shayok Talley Young
2.34% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Young Lard
2.25% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Lard
2.25% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Young Lard
2.22% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Young
1.55% Weiler-Babb Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Young
1.55% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Lard
1.53% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Jacobson Young
1.50% Weiler-Babb Wigginton Talley Jacobson Young
0.77% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Shayok Talley Young
0.75% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Young Lard
0.54% Wigginton Horton-Tucker Talley Jacobson Young

No Lewis? Kid has really good size but was never able to get into a groove. Really rooting for him this year.

 

[Sigmapolis]

No Lewis? Kid has really good size but was never able to get into a groove. Really rooting for him this year.

I doubt more than eight men will see consistent playing time.

Who is he going to beat out...?

 

[Beyerball]

If there is one thing I’ve learned about Prohm is he never ever will start a true freshman unless forced to..like last year.

he simply doesnt want to rush Freshman. He is always like 4-5 games late in playing true freshman..Now maybe THT is just too good to not start, but this team will have a lot of depth.

Everyone is forgetting about Tally. He really came on end of year last year and can defend multiple positions. Here is my starting 5 at Maui and who will come off bench to spell each position. Although i see more of this lineup when NWB needs break...LW, THT, Shayok, Tally, Lard.

NWB- Halliburton
LW- THT
Shayok- Lewis
Tally- S Young
Lard- Jacobsen

 

[IASTATE07]

If there is one thing I’ve learned about Prohm is he never ever will start a true freshman unless forced to..like last year.

he simply doesnt want to rush Freshman. He is always like 4-5 games late in playing true freshman..Now maybe THT is just too good to not start, but this team will have a lot of depth.

Who are our examples of this?