Lineup Talk

IASTATE07

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
May 30, 2016
12,774
20,420
113
Solomon Young and Cameron Lard were definitely eased in. However, Wigginton was thrown out there right away. I think he trusts freshman just fine when they've shown they can be trusted.

He said true freshman so we have an example of Young eased into it and Wigginton thrown into the fire. That's not a lot of data for something he's learned about Prohm.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: isutrevman

KKramer

Well-Known Member
Sep 25, 2017
542
737
93
37
Remember that Prohm defers to his experience/seniors. I also feel that Lards offensive production goes up with Solo in the line-up ( much like Jackson Vroman's stats did with Homan in the line-up years ago). Remember too, how well Talley was playing at the end of the year, Lastly, Solo is a force in the middle on defense- just ask Tyler Cook.

I can see a Weiler Babb, Wigginton, Shayok, Talley, Solo line-up to start the season. That is a small ball run 'em out of the gym, play good defense line-up. As subs come in, the inside pressure rachets up on the opposition with the athletism of Lard and THT.

Lard has the athletism to guard away from the basket and needs to prove his commitment to do so this year in order to be starting by conference time. If not, Lard will start by conference time depending on the oppositions line-up and big man talent. Also, THT may supplant Talley if he proves to be an All Big XII caliber freshman talent.

I expect Lewis to be a much more reliable three point shooter this year. I also see Jacobsen providing solid back-up for both big men due to his experience in that other league. Halliburton will be eased into play and readied for success next year, as will Griffen.

Here's hoping our reserves get lots of mop-up time this year.
No way Lard doesn't start. Too productive offensively and on the glass.
 

KKramer

Well-Known Member
Sep 25, 2017
542
737
93
37
Starters:
Wigginton
NWB
Shayok
Lard
Young

Rotation (15-20 min.)
Jacobsen (inevitable foul trouble with Solo and/or Lard)
Talley (played well down the stretch, versatile)
Horton-Tucker (Prove you are B12 ready)
Lewis (Got to be the 3 and D type role player)
Although I agree that this is probably the starting lineup to start the year, starting both Lard and Young limits floor spacing and available shooters. Prohm predicates a lot of his offense on spacing similar to Fred, and having these two in at the same time devalues that a bit, in my opinion. I think starting either Talley or Horton-Tucker over Young is the better offensive move.
 

discydisc

Flag Designer Extraordinaire
Jan 14, 2014
3,080
2,623
113
Ames
No way Lard doesn't start. Too productive offensively and on the glass.
I think right out of the gate I wouldn't be surprised if Prohm gives the nod to the seniors and starts Talley over lard at the four/send a message that he isn't going to get away with his off the court stuff without actually suspending him since the offenses were so minor. Not to say he doesn't get starter minutes, but doesn't actually start the first few games while they feel things out.
Everyone seems to think Shayok is going to be playing the 3 and 4 but I see him more in the 1-3 range. Prohm loves his big guards and it sounds like he wants to have the ball in his hands (part of his reason for leaving UVA).
 

Sigmapolis

Minister of Economy
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 10, 2011
26,932
41,641
113
Waukee
Although I agree that this is probably the starting lineup to start the year, starting both Lard and Young limits floor spacing and available shooters. Prohm predicates a lot of his offense on spacing similar to Fred, and having these two in at the same time devalues that a bit, in my opinion. I think starting either Talley or Horton-Tucker over Young is the better offensive move.

Talley was 7/25 from three last year. Solomon was 3/19. Neither can shoot at an acceptable level. You are starting Lewis, THT, or another guard if you want a lineup that adds net shooting by taking Young off the floor, not Talley. Talley will be out there for defense and for his handle, in case we need to break a press or need another ball-handler, not for shooting.
 

Sigmapolis

Minister of Economy
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 10, 2011
26,932
41,641
113
Waukee
So many people seem to want to reduce Young's minutes or take him out of the starting lineup. Solo does so much more than stat sheet stuff. He'll get his minutes.

He is the functional equivalent of an offensive lineman. He sets screens, boxes out, clogs the lane, and plays good post defense. He indirectly creates space for Lard to work around the hoop and on the boards and for the guards while cutting.

None of this shows up in the stat sheet, but it all matters towards the outcome of a game. He is an old school PF. People forget what they are for. We have the added bonus that he has the personality to completely embrace such a role, too.
 
D

Deleted member 39238

Guest
He is the functional equivalent of an offensive lineman. He sets screens, boxes out, clogs the lane, and plays good post defense. He indirectly creates space for Lard to work around the hoop and on the boards and for the guards while cutting.

None of this shows up in the stat sheet, but it all matters towards the outcome of a game. He is an old school PF. People forget what they are for. We have the added bonus that he has the personality to completely embrace such a role, too.

Like anyone with 1/2 a brain I'll get on the Solomon Young bandwagon too. Every team ... needs a Dustin Hogue type workhorse, blue collar mailman type. Shows up, works hard, does the dirty work, the little things. Coaches love dudes like that ... for good reason.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: cyhiphopp
D

Deleted member 39238

Guest
Since this thread is about lineups, I'll offer my thoughts. First, I really like this team ... lots and lots of potential here ... maybe more so than any team in ISU history. Chemistry and buy in will be key. To begin:
pg: wiggy
sg: babbs
sf: shayok
pf: solo
c: lard

rotation:
sg, sf: lewis, tht
bigs: jacobson ... talley

So we go 8 deep, 9 if you count Talley.

Basically ... Wiggy runs the point and when he needs a break/gets in foul trouble ... Nick runs it. First guy off the the bench is Lewis. Or maybe Talon if he is ready; THT will get minutes. Bigs are easy. Jacobson ... offers pretty much the same blue collar size/attitude as Solo ... with the bennie that he's actually got a decent shot from 3 pt range. Way I look at it ... Lard, Solo, Jacobson are pretty much interchangeable. And make no mistake ... 2 of the 3 will be in there all the time unless there is serious foul trouble. Game is 2 flexible bigs and 3 interchangeable 1-3s.

People may question Nick at the 2. I think his contributions have always been overlooked, heck ... nobody last year thought he could play the point and he averaged close to a triple double. So ... put him at the 2 and tell him to shoot more ... will he ? Can he ? Yes and yes. Between him and wiggy and shayok ... they will get their points. I see each of them averaging 12-15 pts per game. And Lewis too ... coming off the bench in a Naz type ... gunslinger role. I see Terrence averaging like 6-8 pts per game; not bad for a soph. Ditto for THT ... he will get his minutes ... might get 16 one night and 0 the next. He'll get serious minutes and score some too.

My prediction 4th in the b12 and sweet 16.
 

mplueg

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Oct 27, 2009
456
544
93
Since this thread is about lineups, I'll offer my thoughts. First, I really like this team ... lots and lots of potential here ... maybe more so than any team in ISU history. Chemistry and buy in will be key. To begin:
pg: wiggy
sg: babbs
sf: shayok
pf: solo
c: lard

rotation:
sg, sf: lewis, tht
bigs: jacobson ... talley

So we go 8 deep, 9 if you count Talley.

Basically ... Wiggy runs the point and when he needs a break/gets in foul trouble ... Nick runs it. First guy off the the bench is Lewis. Or maybe Talon if he is ready; THT will get minutes. Bigs are easy. Jacobson ... offers pretty much the same blue collar size/attitude as Solo ... with the bennie that he's actually got a decent shot from 3 pt range. Way I look at it ... Lard, Solo, Jacobson are pretty much interchangeable. And make no mistake ... 2 of the 3 will be in there all the time unless there is serious foul trouble. Game is 2 flexible bigs and 3 interchangeable 1-3s.

People may question Nick at the 2. I think his contributions have always been overlooked, heck ... nobody last year thought he could play the point and he averaged close to a triple double. So ... put him at the 2 and tell him to shoot more ... will he ? Can he ? Yes and yes. Between him and wiggy and shayok ... they will get their points. I see each of them averaging 12-15 pts per game. And Lewis too ... coming off the bench in a Naz type ... gunslinger role. I see Terrence averaging like 6-8 pts per game; not bad for a soph. Ditto for THT ... he will get his minutes ... might get 16 one night and 0 the next. He'll get serious minutes and score some too.

My prediction 4th in the b12 and sweet 16.

There is absolutely no way Senior Talley is our 9th man!