MONDAY MUSINGS: Two quotes prove Matt Campbell gets it

[Brandon]

How is that a cop out

Toned down from what? Total cop out to put a blanket statement like that on a fan base who reasonably expected 3-5 wins.

How is that a cop out? The lines have been bad under the whole rhoads tenure and his recruiting wasn't good.

 

[Rods79]

How is that a cop out

How is that a cop out? The lines have been bad under the whole rhoads tenure and his recruiting wasn't good.

Because you didn't mention what you're calling out fans for thinking. 3-5 wins is not an inflated expectation, and what I believe was a fairly average opinion. If you want to call out people thinking we were going to a bowl game in the first year, or winning 4 or more Big 12 games...be my guest. Just be specific.

 

[CyBobby]

When does basketball start?

Not Soon enough for me......Worst Offensive Line in ISU history...rite on CW, this line ranks even under 1994 when we did Not Win a Single Frickin Game

 

[clonedude]

I just love the people that go in to every season predicting like 7 or 8 wins. Really? We've like hardly EVER won that many games in a season at ISU. Just a few times. So you're predicting one of the best seasons ever at ISU? Not gonna happen.

 

[CyBobby]

Because you didn't mention what you're calling out fans for thinking. 3-5 wins is not an inflated expectation, and what I believe was a fairly average opinion. If you want to call out people thinking we were going to a bowl game in the first year, or winning 4 or more Big 12 games...be my guest. Just be specific.

Three to Five Wins with this schedule, I don't think so.....More Like 2 Wins aka San Jose and KU

 

[Dopey]

Remember all those no-name, zero star players we loaded our last 3 classes with....it shows.

Stars don't matter you simple minded fool!!

 

[clonedude]

Three to Five Wins with this schedule, I don't think so.....More Like 2 Wins aka San Jose and KU

Yes, but at this point SJSU and KU are not givens by any means. I could be anywhere from 0 to 2 wins most likely. If we were playing KU this week, KU would likely be favored.

 

[Bryce7]

Yes, it is really great to finally have a coach that can give a good post-game speech.

And, I could not agree more that we need to "tone our expectations down this first year." I just do not know how or from where our fans came to have these elevated expectations.

Tone our expectations down to less than Rhoads years? Less than Gene years?

 

[Bryce7]

This was my biggest fear coming into the season. Everyone wanted someone young who understood the twitters, social media, and relate to recruits. Well we got that but at the same time you have a very young coach, and whole staff, with very little high level coaching experience.

We saw them make just about every possible error last night, coaches, players and IT guys. The good thing is they have a heck of a lot of mistakes that they can learn from.

We played uni, less than a mac team.

 

[CloneFan4]

I just love the people that go in to every season predicting like 7 or 8 wins. Really? We've like hardly EVER won that many games in a season at ISU. Just a few times. So you're predicting one of the best seasons ever at ISU? Not gonna happen.

I've yet to see one 7-8 win prediction. Excuse the fan base for acting accordingly after yet another devastating loss to a FCS school. If we can't expect to beat UNI then tear the whole god damn thing down. I still believe Campbell will turn this around a couple years down the line, but if there's many more games like Saturday night before we get there, he will have lost a good portion of the fanbase.

 

[Rods79]

Three to Five Wins with this schedule, I don't think so.....More Like 2 Wins aka San Jose and KU

Yes, one of our easier games this season is now in the "L" column...it sucks. Now we collectively only see about 2 others we have a chance in...but who knows.

The point is, that 3-5 wins was not an overly inflated range of wins before the season started, so you shouldn't be calling out fans for reasonable expectations to make it sound like "told ya so!"

 

[SpokaneCY]

So the thought then is this.....

We are going to run right into a wall all year long and go 0-12 because we're going to keep trying to establish a running game no matter how many years it might take. Wins are not the concern right now, establishing the system (the plan) is the main thing.

Is this pretty much correct? And I'm not saying I disagree with this at all. This might be exactly what needs to be done. I just don't know yet. I just wonder how long the coaches will have the players attention when we're 0-7 and still running into walls at a 2 yd per rush clip?

And at that point, most of the fans will likely have jumped ship as well.

I was just going to post something about this earlier. I believe we could have beaten UNI with more of a passing game Saturday and ditching the run game, but I think Campbell is going to be very stubborn about establishing this running game, even if it costs us potential wins. I just don't know how long he can get the players and the fans to buy into this?

It might be exactly the right thing to do, but in today's "I want everything right now" society, are people going to be willing to wait 3 or 4 years for success?

We are going to be a running team and the coaches are recruiting to be that team, teaching to become that team, scheming to become that team, drilling and practicing to become that team. Those schemes take thousands of repetitions to become instinctual and there is no reason to try and squeeze out a win by violating your stated principle after the first series in your first game.

Play to your players strengths (which are WHAT exactly?) but stay the course and become like the perennially successful teams by having an identity, staying true to that identity and spending every waking moment working to enforce and build on that identity.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I still believe Campbell will turn this around a couple years down the line, but if there's many more games like Saturday night before we get there, he will have lost a good portion of the fanbase.

I would submit for your review that last 3 years of CPR shitstorm football and the packed houses. CMC connects better than CPR ever could. He and his staff bring a dynamism that has been absent since the early years of DMAC.

You fair weather fans can sit on the sidelines while the stands are filled and hedge your bets but the stadium will be full, recruiting won't skip a beat and this team will win consistently as CMC's plan is put in place IN THE COMING YEARS.

Some of you shouldn't buy green bananas since the patience required (2 days) is more than you think is required.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

So many fans thought this team was going to just turn around based on some nice video productions put together by a grad student?? I mean people do realize that those are just videos right? I don't get fans who said they were upset about buying into the hype? What hype? The videos put out are just that videos..they never said we are going to win the orange bowl...every modern program is doing those videos now it's part of the social media game..

Wts..I think it's more than warrants to expect to beat UNI. Here's the deal..I went to the game and went back and re watched it as well..You cannot win any football game vs anyone with 5 TO's and nearly 100 yds in penalties.. Go look at how many offensive drives lasted more than 4 plays(good and bad in that we scored several times on 4 play or less drives) and how many offensive series started out basically at 1st and 20 or 2nd and 20.

The last 3 possessions by ISU:

Interception...Fumble...Interception..

Teams improve a lot week 1 to week 2 and I expect that to occur here...If some guys get back who should have been playing but were hurt this week like Payne, Thadd, JGJ, Harvey, etc..we are going to beat Iowa.

I agree with everything you said, but after last night I can't say we are going to beat Iowa, even with vast improvements and players back from suspension and injury. Most of our problems were slop, not talent deficiencies and even with the line being bad, pass protection was pretty good Saturday. I still don't expect to beat Iowa even if everything goes right.

 

[clonedude]

We are going to be a running team and the coaches are recruiting to be that team, teaching to become that team, scheming to become that team, drilling and practicing to become that team. Those schemes take thousands of repetitions to become instinctual and there is no reason to try and squeeze out a win by violating your stated principle after the first series in your first game.

Play to your players strengths (which are WHAT exactly?) but stay the course and become like the perennially successful teams by having an identity, staying true to that identity and spending every waking moment working to enforce and build on that identity.

I never said I disagreed with that theory, I only questioned if the players and the fans will be patient enough to wait 3 years or longer to develop this running game while we win between 1 and 3 games a season?

You yourself just said you play to your strengths, right? I'd say our biggest strength might be our WR's? Lazard for sure is. But I think Campbell wants to make our running game our strength, which is probably the best plan, but it's going to take a long time to do that, and I'm not sure how many more losing seasons the players or fanbase can take?

 

[1976]

My fear is we win one or two games, JTS is empty at the end of the year, and a lot of our recruiting class says "thanks but no thanks".

 

[KCClone1]

Some notable coach's first seasons...Bill Snyder only won one game in his first year. Mel Tjeerdsma at NW Missouri St lost every game his first year. They will go down as one of the best all time coaches at their levels. It will take time for this staff, but I trust them.

 

[clonedude]

My fear is we win one or two games, JTS is empty at the end of the year, and a lot of our recruiting class says "thanks but no thanks".

This is exactly what I've been getting at. If we try to become a running team all year at the expense of possibly winning some games, will there be anyone in the stands by the end of the year?

I'm not sure if JP wants to wait 3 years for some wins. A near empty stadium for 2 or 3 more years won't pay the bills.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Tone our expectations down to less than Rhoads years? Less than Gene years?

Because we had over 40 kids take in their very first fall camp at ISU? Because we saw 3 starters from last years crappy OL retire due to injuries? Because we're playing a walk-on in his first game? Because we have a RSFreshman starting? Because we lost our best OL-men (and just average in the B12) to injury? Because our starting QB was below average last year at his best? Because we have a completely new coaching staff? Schemes? Attitudes?

I went to the gym once and I couldn't bench 300. Weights don't work. I had slim fast shake once and I didn't look like a beach body stud. Dieting doesn't work. I went to a class once but never received a degree. Education takes too long...

Get impatient in year 3 if the results aren't becoming apparent but cheese and rice, let the guy have more than 20 practices with CPR's kids to late him a failure.

 

[Beyerball]

I agree with everything you said, but after last night I can't say we are going to beat Iowa, even with vast improvements and players back from suspension and injury. Most of our problems were slop, not talent deficiencies and even with the line being bad, pass protection was pretty good Saturday. I still don't expect to beat Iowa even if everything goes right.

Ha. I agree but this series is wierd..Should we win? No..can we win? Sure we can. It's not like Iowa runs this strange offense or has elite WR's..They have decent RBs and a very effective QB..That defense isn't elite..last years was better IMO. If Miami of Ohio can move the ball then ISU can move the ball.