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I know this is about the abuse and the focus should be them.
But I've got this train of thought: If it's shut down, that would be weird that a 100k + stadium is not being used. I'm sure that there are a ton of people that depend on that for a job.
But I've got this train of thought: If it's shut down, that would be weird that a 100k + stadium is not being used. I'm sure that there are a ton of people that depend on that for a job.
The NCAA needs to take football away long enough for the university to decide what it's new identity is going to be. That can't happen while the weight of the football program continues to loom. They need to be decoupled long enough to build a foundation as an educational institution again. Football bled into everything the university stood for and it's all tainted now. It's obviously been tainted for a long time. Now that it's all out in the open there is an opportunity to reprioritize and rebuild. I don't see how that happens without the football program being buried for the time being, and I don't know if the right people are in place to make that happen, or ever will be based on the continued denial by some fans and alum.
i understand what you are saying JP, and it would be unfortunate for some to be out of work. But, no one took in to account how the kids were feeling then, or now. If those folks would not be at the stadium for work, they know who to blame. Its too bad JoeP isnt alive to face this.
Yeah that's the big thing. As soon as he got canned, I was wondering how long he would live.
I can understand not wanting to create collateral damage to people who have PSU football-related jobs, but this would be a dangerous precedent to set.
Peregrine Financial Group in Eastern Iowa is closed and hundreds of people are out of work. They were collateral damage because of one cheating bastard.
Every time a dangerous product hits the shelves, the recall & lawsuits wipe out plenty of jobs that were done by people who had nothing to do with the problem.
Collateral damage is something to worry about, but you can't let d-bags who prioritized winning & "the good name of the program" over protecting kids use this argument to keep from reaping their reward. If you do that, the Penn States of the world will hold all the sports-related jobs close to their body like a terrorist holding a hostage.
Peregrine Financial Group in Eastern Iowa is closed and hundreds of people are out of work. They were collateral damage because of one cheating bastard.
Every time a dangerous product hits the shelves, the recall & lawsuits wipe out plenty of jobs that were done by people who had nothing to do with the problem.
Collateral damage is something to worry about, but you can't let d-bags who prioritized winning & "the good name of the program" over protecting kids use this argument to keep from reaping their reward. If you do that, the Penn States of the world will hold all the sports-related jobs close to their body like a terrorist holding a hostage.
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Brilliant statement of the problem and required solution. If the NCAA can't take FB away from PSU, then some other entity with the power to do so needs to step in.
I think it would be awfully hard to get the ball rolling on something that is a very painful secret that they probably feel is shameful, although it wasn't their fault. Sandusky's own adopted son didn't come out and expose his own abuse until the trial. I'm sure each of these victims looked at this situation and thought the task of taking down a man who seemed to have the support of a well-financed university behind him was too daunting. It's hard to be the first one to scale a mountain - it's easier when someone else has already done it and proven it can be accomplished.
Still not a peep out of the self annointed "Leaders and Legends"
Big 10 media days are 7/26 - 7/27. That is going to turn into a real circus regardless of whether they come out with some sort of statement on the situation.
Big 10 media days are 7/26 - 7/27. That is going to turn into a real circus regardless of whether they come out with some sort of statement on the situation.
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Heard on Detroit sports radio on my drive home from work today that the NCAA president said that the death penalty is NOT off the table. Good. As a few others posters have said in this thread (and I have said in other threads)' a culture change needs to happen at Penn St. That cannot happen while the importance of football is over emphasized. Football needs to sit out for awhile.
Another question would be how long does FB need to sit out? One or two years isn't going to change much. It could take years for that culture to die out.
The Department of Education should close the doors of the University and void diplomas awarded from 1966 onward. Those that have used Penn State University's deceitful good name to achieve success and acquire fortune should send checks payable to the many victims that listen to sports talk radio. In fact, this culture of over-importance of football has manifested itself at dozens of colleges and high schools throughout the country. PSU will be the first of many.
Of course, it would be an ineffective way to punish those that committed crimes nor make the crime of silence/perjury anymore risky, but damn it would feel good.
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1-2 years might do more damage than you think, especially if the NCAA gives the players unrestricted right to transfer. Say they get a 2 year ban. They are starting over literally from scratch. No coaches, no players, just a tarnished legacy. How many established coaches will want to start from square one, with no players whatsoever? And then how many blue chippers are going to want to play for what will likely be a pathetic team for several years? Which means that coach is developing good at best talent for the first many years.
While I would love to see a 5+ year hiatus, even one will be extremely damaging. Look at SMU. Now, I'm not saying Penn St = SMU (that would be an insult to SMU, well, except for Craig James and the dead hookers thing), but even a one year ban would be something Penn St doesn't recover too quickly from.
I don't agree with all of this. I could go for DoE shuttering the school, but revoking a diploma over this? That's way harsh, even for a 20 year alum who is part of the culture that enabled the problem. Having a valid Penn St diploma and trying to get a new job may be punishment enough.
But they won't be starting over from scratch. Facilities are a huge part of FBS football, and PSU will still have top-of-the-line facilities in place after 1 or 2 years, even if they don't spend anything on them over that time period. The donors who are still part of the culture will be around to pump money into the system. I'd think that would still be pretty attractive for perhaps not an established top-tier FBS coach, but certainly for an up-and-comer. They'll be able to throw money and facilities at some coach, just like they did to Cael Sanderson.
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I really hope they get the death penalty, then maybe their fans will stop being so stupid. Though I doubt that will ever happen (for both things).
