Mt. Flushmore of ISU Athletics
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Wayne wasn’t even that bad. He also brought us Stinson and Blalock.
I lived a block down Lincoln Way from the beautiful President's manse where Parks lived. Do ISU Presidents still reside there?
demoncore1031
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I wonder why Jimmie Dean Walden with his Zero Wins and All Losses Against Iowa and his ZERO WIN SEASON doesn't merit entry on Mt Flushmore?
My List...BVD....Jim CryMore Criner....Ken Trickey and Jimmie Dean Walden.
My List...BVD....Jim CryMore Criner....Ken Trickey and Jimmie Dean Walden.
You have to remember that ISU turned down Dan Gable for head wrestling coach and kept an old and out of date Harold Nichols....IT WORKED OUT REAL WELL FOR TOE....
Now didn't it!
He is also brought us 5-6 years of ****** basketball by digging us a giant hole we couldn't get out of.
Now this is just silly. WM will not and should not be on ISU's own Mount Rushmore, but he only had 3 seasons as our head coach and made the postseason (one NIT, one NCAA with a first round victory) in 2 of them. Even in his last season he still finished with a winning record (16-14). How on earth can you rationally try and blame him for the utter ineptitude of the Greg McDermott era?
Cylyte in another thread was saying that McDermott's issue wasn't coaching so apparently there's a few stuck to McD like the folks who hold McCarney in higher regard than CMC because he beat Iowa.
CyLyte is a f*cking moron who goes out of his way to be as obnoxious and unpleasant to everyone as humanly possible. There are reasons why he is one of the few posters I've put on ignore.
You're joking right? McDermott never had a fair shot at doing anything with the loss of scholarships he faced in his first years at ISU that were a direct result of how the program was handled under Morgan. I wont argue that Morgan had on-court success while he was here, but he was a horrible leader of the program and set us back quite a bit.
No, I'm not joking. Players like Wesley Johnson, Lucca Staiger, and many others that all left/transferred early happened under Greg McDermott. How is WM responsible for that? Greg's best season at ISU happened in his first season, when all of these supposedly program-damaging loss of scholarships would have been felt the most. I'm not even going to argue that he is a bad coach when you look at his success at UNI and Creighton, but he was downright awful at ISU and that cannot be argued otherwise with a straight face.
Well agree to disagree. I am in by no means saying Greg would have been successful here had he had all the resources available, but I'm not debating McDermott. However, my opinion of Morgan is pretty low knowing how little he managed our program.
Who, after Gable's senior year (1970), put together this absolutely shameful resume in his last 15 years of coaching:
3 national championships
5 national runner-up
4 national 3rd place
5 Big Eight titles
I don’t think anyone is arguing Wayne was a good coach or a better coach than McD. There’s a reason each are where they are post-ISU. But McD absolutely was a failure here. There’s a reason his style at Creighton is completely different than it was at ISU. He tried to be UNI but with more talent at ISU. It was a complete and utter failure. He was wrong in trying to do that, and it seems like he figured that out. It’s too bad ISU has to pay for this lesson, but that’s the way it goes. If in years 2, 3, and 4 you win 4 conference games each year, you have failed without qualification.
The fanbase wanted John Cooper by the AD & The Prez was afraid that John Cooper would cheat and get into trouble with the NCAA.....
....That sure didn't keep ISU from hiring Jim "I'm a walking ncaa violation" Criner..
