NCAA STATEMENT: Says nothing
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Nope. Officials can review tape to determine if there was contact above the shoulders EVEN if there was no foul called on the floor.
I understand the ref calling a charge there, it was a judgement call so I can live with that. I hope in the future, however, they can go to the monitors for plays like these. If they can go to the monitors on a three to see if someone is on a line, they should be able to go to the monitors to see if these kinds of fouls are on a line as well. All fouls, other than those inside the semi-circle are judgement calls. If something can be assured in a sport, then they should be able to review it.
Call is clearly wrong. Statement says the call is right. Statement means the NCAA prefers its tournaments fixed.
If it was really the right call they wouldn't need a statement. There are two "non fixed" solutions. No statement, or statement saying there was a mistake. A statement endorsing a bad call is pretty much flaunting cheating and anti fair play.
If it was really the right call they wouldn't need a statement. There are two "non fixed" solutions. No statement, or statement saying there was a mistake. A statement endorsing a bad call is pretty much flaunting cheating and anti fair play.
This is exactly the point.
1) What does it mean to have established position? If you are off-balance, is that established? Craft clearly did not have both feet set, or his one foot would have been fully on the floor actually touching the line. The fact that the ref could not see that should mean he did not establish position.
2) If there is any doubt, who should get it? The offensive player. That's the way it works in many other sports. There's a violation that's too close to call, it goes in favor of the offense. So if it happens too fast for the official to see and it's close, it should go to the offense as a block, not a charge.
It's not that hard to make the right call if you break down the options, and that's what they are paid to be good at.
It is the official's job to see this. He should be able to say definitively that the foot was in the area or not in the area, that is, he either saw it in the area or saw outside of the area. If he did not see this crucial aspect of the play, then he should not be allowed to make a call in favor of the defense.
If you watched the interview with John Adams, you would know that it isn't the officials job to see this. To paraphrase John Adams, all they ask of these officials is to go out and put themselves in a position to do their best. I think he repeated this twice without ever saying they ask the officials to go out and make the right calls.
When the reported asked him if the rule should be changed so that the foot had to be on the arc like it is for all other calls on the court, Adams said he didn't want to argue with him. Everything he said just made the situation worse :-(
Since I was inaccurate on a few things, I thought I'd just post a link to the interview;
John Adams on end of OSU-Iowa State game - CBSSports.com College Basketball Video
T.O. and Tim Higgins are probably the two best in the Big 12. Terry Oglesby notoriusly gives ISU some damn good calls. He made a judgement call on a 50/50 play that went against ISU.
You didn't see the game though because you were DONE when Hoiberg got hired.
My first game back was when the officials took a game away from Creighton and gave it to ISU.
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That's true but had the game been televised it would of been reviewed and reversed. I think the charge line is unenforceable given the traffic in there generally. It needs to be reviewable same as a three point shot if they are going to keep it.
In defense, that is not a criteria in the NCAA. There is no airborn rule like there is in high school. That said, he was not slid over and there is seldom a time when someone is established after lift off and yet in legal guarding position.
I don't think this was a biased deal. I think it was a bad call but anyone thinking everyone was just against ISU this year and trying to pass the favorites through, can shut up about that. The crew today was very good with that one exception. They let a lot go and they were consistent in that with the other exception of Bubu poking the ball away down the court which will get called more often than not anyway. That's basketball. It sucks but you move on. I will also credit Korie for saying what he did after the game.
I do have an issue though. There is no accountability for the officials. Conferences have banned coaches and players from saying anything. So then, you have kids and programs paying the consequences for things they didn't even do. Yeah, you can't have coaches just crying wolf about refs all of the time. If some of these guys want the glory, they can take some heat for **** poor performance. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can tell me this: How many refs are fired each year? I would think there would be a few that don't live up to standards. I also find it weird that there is such a disparity in officiating between the NBA and the next level. The officiating in the league is phenomanal on a nightly basis. Why aren't the refs in the college game somewhat close?
As for charge calls: There are too many. I think that the charge became a glory call 10 or so years ago. There were so few that when one was made there was such attention given to it these guys just wanted to call them and it has turned into what it is. Think about playing defense. It should be very hard for a secondary defender to rotate over to someone and get set before they get there. An offensive player should almost have to try to make it a charge. Then I have an issue with the perimeter. There are always guys pushing off and lower their shoulders on the perimeter yet that is never called. it almost seems like if it takes place in the lane, it's 50/50 on block or charge. I would say about 90% of blocks and charges combined are blocks but I would guess only 60% are called that way.
The bottom line is this... The NCAA needs to expand the scope of what the officials can and can't review in the final 2 minutes of the game. An incorrect call during the final 2 minutes isn't the same as an incorrect call in the first 2 minutes of the game. A bad call early in the game can be recovered from while a bad call at the end of the game can change the outcome. If the NCAA is serious about this notion that they don't want the officials determining the outcome of games then they need to allow reviews of any "close" calls made during the final 2 minutes of the game.
