New commitment - Josh Thomas

[Section110]

When that happened you said Rhoads lost the team. The story you are telling now is just about Mangino being Mangino and a guy not knowing how to deal with it due to undiagnosed anxiety. Huge difference.

Depends what your definition of losing the team is. What is your definition?

If I were a coach I would feel like I lost the team if I knew that a number of them weren't on board with what we were doing. That was the case at the time. I don't know about anything else that went down after that. Maybe he pulled them aside and they regrouped.

Fast forward to the present and quite a few players have left the team. Again, if I were a coach I would openly question what is going on that's causing all of these guys to abandon their commitment? What can I do better? Player departures would absolutely be a red flag to me that I may be losing the team.

I have no idea what your definition of that is, but chalking it up as simply "the players are tired of losing" is probably a little naïve.

 

[Section110]

Weren't you the one that said Rhoads had lost the team and then he beat Iowa a week later?

Even a lost team can play together for their Super Bowl CyTwins! :spinny:

 

[WIB]

What I was told was that Nealy and Ecby had just had enough. Pj Harris did quit the week before he was arrested. He quit because he didn't show up to a lifting session at 7am, and then the next day they scheduled him to lift at 6 am and he didn't go to that either. Alex Leslie didn't make grades.

 

[CyTwins]

Depends what your definition of losing the team is. What is your definition?

If I were a coach I would feel like I lost the team if I knew that a number of them weren't on board with what we were doing. That was the case at the time. I don't know about anything else that went down after that. Maybe he pulled them aside and they regrouped.

Fast forward to the present and quite a few players have left the team. Again, if I were a coach I would openly question what is going on that's causing all of these guys to abandon their commitment? What can I do better? Player departures would absolutely be a red flag to me that I may be losing the team.

I have no idea what your definition of that is, but chalking it up as simply "the players are tired of losing" is probably a little naïve.

Just out of curiosity, how many players do you know on the team that weren't on board with what was being done to justify saying that he lost the team?

 

[Luth4Cy]

Depends what your definition of losing the team is. What is your definition?

If I were a coach I would feel like I lost the team if I knew that a number of them weren't on board with what we were doing. That was the case at the time. I don't know about anything else that went down after that. Maybe he pulled them aside and they regrouped.

Fast forward to the present and quite a few players have left the team. Again, if I were a coach I would openly question what is going on that's causing all of these guys to abandon their commitment? What can I do better? Player departures would absolutely be a red flag to me that I may be losing the team.

I have no idea what your definition of that is, but chalking it up as simply "the players are tired of losing" is probably a little naïve.

I'm sure Rhoads is wondering what he can do better and in this case he can win more games, plain and simple. If they guys are quitting because they hate CPR or something of that nature than that is a different story.

 

[Section110]

What I was told was that Nealy and Ecby had just had enough. Pj Harris did quit the week before he was arrested. He quit because he didn't show up to a lifting session at 7am, and then the next day they scheduled him to lift at 6 am and he didn't go to that either. Alex Leslie didn't make grades.

Gotcha. Thanks for sharing Wallen.

 

[Section110]

Just out of curiosity, how many players do you know on the team that weren't on board with what was being done to justify saying that he lost the team?

I don't know how many. All I was told was that a number of them, mostly on offense, were not happy campers at the time. They didn't feel like it made sense for them to continue to be singled out when the losing was a combined effort. Certainly the defense wasn't playing well either. I was told some more details, but that's as far as I'll go. This is more than I shared when it happened. Figured by now it's old news.

 

[Luth4Cy]

I don't know how many. All I was told was that a number of them, mostly on offense, were not happy campers at the time. They didn't feel like it made sense for them to continue to be singled out when the losing was a combined effort. Certainly the defense wasn't playing well either. I was told some more details, but that's as far as I'll go. It's more than let out during the season. Figured by now it's old news.

From what you have said you know, the person singling them out was the offensive coordinator. I would hope it would make sense to them that the coach on their side of the ball would be upset with them and not with the defense.

 

[Section110]

From what you have said you know, the person singling them out was the offensive coordinator. I would hope it would make sense to them that the coach on their side of the ball would be upset with them and not with the defense.

Plus we know Mangino's style right? I mean lets be honest... he's not going to sugarcoat anything. I'm not disagreeing with what you said. Obviously, it's his job to get his players prepared to play winning football. From an outsider's perspective I get that. From the inside, however, if they felt like they were receiving the majority of the blame then it's a different story.

Anyways, this Thomas kid looks like a solid pickup. If Nealy is gone the RB position should be wide open correct? Will be an interesting battle to keep an eye on.

 

[weR138]

Plus we know Mangino's style right? I mean lets be honest... he's not going to sugarcoat anything. I'm not disagreeing with what you said. Obviously, it's his job to get his players prepared to play winning football. From an outsider's perspective I get that. From the inside, however, if they felt like they were receiving the majority of the blame then it's a different story.

Anyways, this Thomas kid looks like a solid pickup. If Nealy is gone the RB position should be wide open correct? Will be an interesting battle to keep an eye on.

False. The powder on powdered doughnuts is, in fact, sugar.

 

[FanatiClone]

What I was told was that Nealy and Ecby had just had enough. Pj Harris did quit the week before he was arrested. He quit because he didn't show up to a lifting session at 7am, and then the next day they scheduled him to lift at 6 am and he didn't go to that either. Alex Leslie didn't make grades.

In a previous post you mentioned something to the effect of not looking to validate yourself...well I'm not sure who your source is but you have just discredited yourself. Alex Leslie may not be a straight A student but he left ISU with WELL above the required GPA, and 47 hours in just a year and a half. Careful who you get your info from and especially be careful what you post as truth. And if you mean he didn't make the grade on the field, with Bibbs moving on, he was projected as a 3 year starter by the coaching staff, who tried extensively to persuade him to stay around. I don't want to pour any more fuel on what is already a flammable situation regarding ISUFB, so I'll spare the details as to the real reason for his departure, but check your facts before you go around misrepresenting the truth about 19-20 year old kids.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I don't know how many. All I was told was that a number of them, mostly on offense, were not happy campers at the time. They didn't feel like it made sense for them to continue to be singled out when the losing was a combined effort. Certainly the defense wasn't playing well either. I was told some more details, but that's as far as I'll go. This is more than I shared when it happened. Figured by now it's old news.

Mangino is going to tell it like he sees it especially when he's talking to his unit. Maybe they needed to get called out. I don't know, I wasn't there, but Mangino's history is that he will put his foot down and let people know when things need to change.

 

[Cyclonic1]

I'm holding out hope that Nealy has a change of heart. When the announcement that he's no longer part of the team happens, there's going to be a massive **** storm from Randy Peterson

Fixed that little typo for you.

 

[Section110]

Mangino is going to tell it like he sees it especially when he's talking to his unit. Maybe they needed to get called out. I don't know, I wasn't there, but Mangino's history is that he will put his foot down and let people know when things need to change.

Right on. I'm not saying he was wrong for getting on them. I don't know. What I do know is that at that time a number of players were upset. A good coach needs to know when to apply pressure and when to let off. Some kids need motivated in different ways. Mangino has a history that suggests he may not be the best at backing off.

Players leaving the program like this certainly makes one wonder what's going on inside of it. I know part of it is simply the fact they only have so many scholarships, but you have to admit the number of departures in the past year has been quite high. Usually where there is smoke there is some fire.

 

[Aclone]

Please pardon me while I get back on topic....

Nice commit. Thomas looks like a good back, and he certainly has the offers list that some find so all important. Welcome to the Cyclones, Josh!

 

[VeloClone]

Usually where there is smoke there is some fire.

Unless it is just smoke on the water...

 

[dualthreat]

In a previous post you mentioned something to the effect of not wanting to credit yourself...well I'm not sure who your source is but you have just discredited yourself. Alex Leslie may not be a straight A student but he left ISU with WELL above the required GPA, and 47 hours in just a year and a half. Careful who you get your info from and especially be careful what you post as truth. And if you mean he didn't make the grade on the field, with Bibbs moving on, he was projected as a 3 year starter by the coaching staff, who tried extensively to persuade him to stay around. I don't want to pour any more fuel on what is already a flammable situation regarding ISUFB, so I'll spare the details as to the real reason for his departure, but check your facts before you go around misrepresenting the truth about 19-20 year old kids.

Kind of like the people who said David Johnson didn't qualify out of HS. LOL

 

[Luth4Cy]

Unless it is just smoke on the water...

If that's it then some posters will simply create a fire.

 

[BigLame]

http://wisconsin.247sports.com/Bolt/Thomas-to-Iowa-State-35090275

Thomas had other offers from Arkansas, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Ohio State, Purdue, Syracuse, South Florida, Illinois, and Virginia among others.

And to the rest of you - make comments all you want on who has left or is potentially leaving. There is a separate thread for that so please post there. Mr. Thomas is a big, big get, no matter if it was early or late in the game. I'm really stoked he committed here. Kid is a player & that is what we have lacked.

 

[Luth4Cy]

What I was told was that Nealy and Ecby had just had enough. Pj Harris did quit the week before he was arrested. He quit because he didn't show up to a lifting session at 7am, and then the next day they scheduled him to lift at 6 am and he didn't go to that either. Alex Leslie didn't make grades.

In a previous post you mentioned something to the effect of not wanting to credit yourself...well I'm not sure who your source is but you have just discredited yourself. Alex Leslie may not be a straight A student but he left ISU with WELL above the required GPA, and 47 hours in just a year and a half. Careful who you get your info from and especially be careful what you post as truth. And if you mean he didn't make the grade on the field, with Bibbs moving on, he was projected as a 3 year starter by the coaching staff, who tried extensively to persuade him to stay around. I don't want to pour any more fuel on what is already a flammable situation regarding ISUFB, so I'll spare the details as to the real reason for his departure, but check your facts before you go around misrepresenting the truth about 19-20 year old kids.

I thought you guys both had solid information?