Nine observations from tonight

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Someone here can argue with me if they want to make the following statement:

"I think this years ISU offensive line will be equal to or better than last years"

Is there anyone that wants to make the above statement?

Again, I'll clarify for the 3rd or 4th time, I'm not saying ISU will have a BAD OL, I'm saying their OL WON'T be as good as last seasons.

I wouldn't say "will", but I'd say it CAN be equal or better than last year's. You don't know the ceiling for ISU's OL or what kind of work or coaching is going to be put into reaching that ceiling. No one knows that outside of ISU's coaching staff. Sorry, but the future is not set in stone. The 2010 OL could be better than 2009 or it could be worse...it's too early to tell.

Honestly, I don't know who you are trying to convince. Maybe you are trying to feel better about the matchup next week?
 

hawkfan

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SO hawkfan, let me ask you this - based upon your original comment, that the game next week is a blowout if our db's cant cover better then allowing 93 yards passing.

Using your logic, why would you think your offense will be better is Bulaga, Eubanks, Doering, Calloway, Moeaki, Stross, suiting up for Iowa tomorrow??? Iowa has 4 returning starters on offense yet all hawkeye fans think the offense will be vastly improved....

We shall see, we know the defense is the heart and soul of that team....

4 Returning starters? Iowa returns Vandervelde, Stanzi, Robinson, Reiff, DJK, McNutt, and Reisner who started half the games last year...I'd say Iowa returns 6.5 starters.

Of your above list, Doering only started the season opener due to an injury, Bulaga missed 4 games, Moeaki missed 4 games and Stross only started 4. Of the above list, the guys that will be missed the most (because they contributed the most) are Bulaga and Calloway. The only advantage to Moeaki being injured so much is that it built depth behind him.
 

KMAC_ATTACK

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4 Returning starters? Iowa returns Vandervelde, Stanzi, Robinson, Reiff, DJK, McNutt, and Reisner who started half the games last year...I'd say Iowa returns 6.5 starters.

That was a lot of justification of who started or did not...and of those listed, Reiff didnt start the season as a starter, Reisner got it by injury, Robinson got it because of an injury...Okay but anyways.....u didnt answer the question

to simplify, Iowa lost 4 guys to the NFL from their offense - In your opinion ARE THEY GOING TO BE BETTER or WORSE and why?
 

Cyrocks

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LOL! What do you not get about this! Is Reggie Stephens suiting up for ISU next week? How about Scott Haughton?

ISU lost two really important lynch pins of their offensive line this offseason....so again...it really doesn't matter what happened LAST YEAR...it matters what will happen THIS YEAR.....and THIS YEAR ISU's OL, at least from what I saw last night, wasn't NEARLY as dominant as they were LAST YEAR, where ISU averaged over 5 YPC on Iowa.

Last year, no one slowed down ISU's rushing attack....this year...NIU did....draw your own conclusions I guess....

First of all, you're an idiot.

How can you possibly say NIU SLOWED ISU's running attack down?
 

anticyclonic

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I am glad that the team and coaching staff will have things to work on this week versus getting nothing out of a 55-0 win and bad division I-AA opponent. They played a quality opponent with a fairly large OL, very quick QB and decent RB and okay but not great defense. ISU should be good to go next week although Arnaud scares me at times (a lot), instead of looking down the field and throwing into coverage I wish he would just take off and get yards. Hopefully the staff will get some plays were the throws are more simple with the WR moving at or near full speed.

Looking at the scoreboard last night, it looks as if Utah is going to be the the real quality non-conference opponent this year that ISU will play. That game intrigues me.
 

Cyrocks

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For those of you complaining about "taking away Arob's one big run" - obviously you don't follow statistics.

If Arob had 1 big run and 19 bad ones....do you know what that 1 big run is called? It's called an outlier...the 19 bad ones are the more statistically relevant runs.

HaHa, you're the one who brought up the take out the one big run argument.
 

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I am looking forward to his 9 observations from the EIU game:

here is a sample

1. Iowa won 28-14, but 14 of those points were in the 4th quarter when our defense wasnt trying.
2. Stanzi's 2 INTs are outliers. The rest of the game he was 12-20.
3. Clayborn never got to the QB in the backfield, because Norm was trying a new scheme where the D-End spies the QB.
4. the fact that this was one of the better offenses in the MVC las year speaks volumes about the Iowa's dominating defense.
5. Hampton was amazing. 155yds against a very big and fast defense.
6. This game would have been 70-3, but Iowa clearly has the BCS championship on their mind.
7. ISU won't blitz against us a lot, based on the College Football 2011 game I played against them today.
 

hawkfan

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That was a lot of justification of who started or did not...and of those listed, Reiff didnt start the season as a starter, Reisner got it by injury, Robinson got it because of an injury...Okay but anyways.....u didnt answer the question

to simplify, Iowa lost 4 guys to the NFL from their offense - In your opinion ARE THEY GOING TO BE BETTER or WORSE and why?

4 to the NFL? Moeaki, Bulaga, Calloway, and who?

Reiff started more games than either Calloway or Bulaga last year...so I'd say he definitely counts as a returning starter. Does it matter if Robinson got it because of injury? He is still a starter...plus Iowa gets Hampton back this year who is better than either Wegher or Robinson....so thats even better than returning a starter...that's an improvement.

Will they be better or worse? Who knows. I haven't seen them play yet. Notice I'm making these comments about ISU AFTER watching them play....not BEFORE. Talk to me 24 hours from now and I'll answer your question.
 

KMAC_ATTACK

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4 to the NFL?

Will they be better or worse? Who knows. I haven't seen them play yet. Notice I'm making these comments about ISU AFTER watching them play....not BEFORE. Talk to me 24 hours from now and I'll answer your question.

yeah that was my fault actually its 3 from offense and 5 total if u count Angererererer and Spievey....

I was basing the question on your thoughts about your own team. And the fact that you made comments about why would any ISU fan think their oline would be equal to or better then last years line because we lost Stephens and Haughton. So i thought i was just turning the tables, why would any Iowa fan think their line would be as dominant as it was last year because they lost 2 starters to the NFL and three overall.

Secondly, u directed comments that stated if ISU were to lose two guys in coverage like they did last night that Iowa would blow them out. That is making the claim that Iowas offense is pretty good, because there are missed opportunities in every game...
 

hawkfan

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yeah that was my fault actually its 3 from offense and 5 total if u count Angererererer and Spievey....

I was basing the question on your thoughts about your own team. And the fact that you made comments about why would any ISU fan think their oline would be equal to or better then last years line because we lost Stephens and Haughton. So i thought i was just turning the tables, why would any Iowa fan think their line would be as dominant as it was last year because they lost 2 starters to the NFL and three overall.

Secondly, u directed comments that stated if ISU were to lose two guys in coverage like they did last night that Iowa would blow them out. That is making the claim that Iowas offense is pretty good, because there are missed opportunities in every game...

It was actually 6 to the NFL - you forgot Edds. :wink:

Again, I was basing my comments for ISU on actually seeing the team play....I wasn't basing it on what I thought would happen....I watched ISU last night, and that was my impression of their OL....it didn't look as good as it did last season.

On to how Iowa could possibly have a better line....I don't know if they will or not, but the key difference between Iowa and ISU, in terms of offensive line production, is the fact that Iowa pipelines lineman into the NFL....Iowa has had an OL drafted almost every year....when was the last time ISU had an offensive lineman drafted? KF has proven he can put regularly build NFL level offensive linemen at Iowa....that isn't the case at ISU....at least not yet....could Rhoads get there? Absolutely, but I'll have to see it before I believe it.

We'll know at least a little bit more about the Iowa offense tomorrow.
 

hawkfan

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I'll say this about Iowa's offense KMAC_ATTACK, if Iowa's offense fails to score 45-50+ points on EIU this weekend....I'll seriously re-evaluate my current opinion of Iowa's offense.
 

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2010 NFL Draft: With the 228th Pick The Cincinnati Bengals Select Offensive Lineman Reggie Stephens Iowa State
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With the 228th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Iowa State offensive lineman Reggie Stephens. Cincinnati is working towards adding personnel with their offensive linemen to improve the overall position filled with versatility. Much like Hudson, Stephens is likely a candidate for the team's practice squad. This will allow the Bengals to call up players based on injuries with anyone on the line during the season with a long-term vision of becoming a backup, if not starter.
Stephens is a career starters at guard and center with the Cyclones who was on the Big 12 Commissioner's Honor Roll. The following is a story about the road Stephens took to get drafted into the NFL. CDS Draft writes his strengths as:
Versatile player who has started at both guard and center. Huge, thick NFL frame and strength. Mauler who gets movement off the ball. Decent feet and a solid athlete for one so large. Can pull in a short area. Absorbs the bull rush and is solid vs. quickness. Appears to be in better shape than past seasons of a g
 

swammi

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Someone here can argue with me if they want to make the following statement:

"I think this years ISU offensive line will be equal to or better than last years"

Is there anyone that wants to make the above statement?

Again, I'll clarify for the 3rd or 4th time, I'm not saying ISU will have a BAD OL, I'm saying their OL WON'T be as good as last seasons.

I think ISU's OL is equal to or better than last year's OL. So far I have seen nothing to refute that. The line dominated NIU - dominated. the offense was able to move the ball at will. 27 completions to 8 receivers is not the picture of a QB running for his life. Arnaud had ample time to execute. Two long runs. I don't want to fight, but I do not know what game you were watching. That line was solid and it was playing against a group that has performed well vs Wisconsin and Purdue. Right now, I think the left side is ahead of last year and the rest are coming along nicely. I just watched the film again and my opinion has not changed.

The two things that really stood out to me were 1) poor tackling by ISU, and 2) a very scary punter. The NIU guys got a lot of YACs. Those two things will kill us vs Iowa.
 

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It was actually 6 to the NFL - you forgot Edds. :wink:

Again, I was basing my comments for ISU on actually seeing the team play....I wasn't basing it on what I thought would happen....I watched ISU last night, and that was my impression of their OL....it didn't look as good as it did last season.

On to how Iowa could possibly have a better line....I don't know if they will or not, but the key difference between Iowa and ISU, in terms of offensive line production, is the fact that Iowa pipelines lineman into the NFL....Iowa has had an OL drafted almost every year....when was the last time ISU had an offensive lineman drafted? KF has proven he can put regularly build NFL level offensive linemen at Iowa....that isn't the case at ISU....at least not yet....could Rhoads get there? Absolutely, but I'll have to see it before I believe it.

We'll know at least a little bit more about the Iowa offense tomorrow.

He was talking about the line. :wink:

You knew that though, you bolded it.
 

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This thread is classic. Take away ARob's long run, blah blah blah. There's a saying about if my aunt had a...

Ricky Stanzi won't miss an open reciever? Yeah, his 100% lifetime completion is impressive. Do I even need :jimlad: ?

When is the last time ISU had an OL drafted? Hmm... I don't know, maybe our only senior on LAST YEAR'S line?

We all know opening games are perfect indicators of the rest of the season. Ask UNI.

Most worthless 11 page thread ever?
 

swammi

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It was actually 6 to the NFL - you forgot Edds. :wink:

Again, I was basing my comments for ISU on actually seeing the team play....I wasn't basing it on what I thought would happen....I watched ISU last night, and that was my impression of their OL....it didn't look as good as it did last season.

On to how Iowa could possibly have a better line....I don't know if they will or not, but the key difference between Iowa and ISU, in terms of offensive line production, is the fact that Iowa pipelines lineman into the NFL....Iowa has had an OL drafted almost every year....when was the last time ISU had an offensive lineman drafted? KF has proven he can put regularly build NFL level offensive linemen at Iowa....that isn't the case at ISU....at least not yet....could Rhoads get there? Absolutely, but I'll have to see it before I believe it.

We'll know at least a little bit more about the Iowa offense tomorrow.

OK, OK, UNCLE! I can see Nile Kinnick is going to come up soon and I can't top that.
 

ajk4st8

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Left side of the Oline Very good.

Right side ... Very average.

I dont think ANY sane was expecting our Oline to be better after losing 2 NFL quality guys.

But they held their own enough to let us win.
 
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We will score 28 points against Iowa,
Seven of which will be on an interception from our defense,
our average defense will hold you all to 24 points,
Iowa better find their nutt cups, cause we will be bringing it.
 

woodie

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at least this year we do not have any 10 second 40 yard dash champions in the middle of our defensive line.
 

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