There isn't a basketball program in the country that brings in a lot of money. If that were the case, Kansas would be a hell of a lot more in demand than they are now.
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There isn't a basketball program in the country that brings in a lot of money. If that were the case, Kansas would be a hell of a lot more in demand than they are now.
ND without football would be moronic. They will sit idly by while the conference gets torn apart in the future. Remember when Miami, BC and Va Tech left the Big East? ND does not care. This would set a precedent for Texas in the future. ND would not schedule home and homes with ISU. This would either be a 2 at ND and 1 in Ames or 1 at ND and 1 at a neutral site, no thanks.
Nobody care about anything ND except football. The Big 12 gains zip from adding them in everything except football. 810 in KC was railing on this earlier calling it moronic to add ND without football. Essentially you become the Big East by doing this. You are saying ok, we are not good enough for you. Use us how you want.
No thanks.
Nobody care about anything ND except football. The Big 12 gains zip from adding them in everything except football. 810 in KC was railing on this earlier calling it moronic to add ND without football. Essentially you become the Big East by doing this. You are saying ok, we are not good enough for you. Use us how you want.
No thanks.
My guess is ND will play Texas & OU every year unless they get tired of getting beat. I think ND gets to choose who they play, but as long as the Big 12 gets 3 broadcast games each year for TV(meaning the Big 12 is the home school) I think this helps the league bolster their tier 1 rights contract and with what we have lost in Nebraska & A&M it might actully be a good idea.
No, ISU probably never plays them but we do benefit ( and now equally) by TV revenue.
ISU may not like this but if this helps stabilize UT & OU in the league by adding a jewel of a non-conference game and get paid for it we are benefiting from it.
No, ISU probably never plays them but we do benefit ( and now equally) by TV revenue.
ISU may not like this but if this helps stabilize UT & OU in the league by adding a jewel of a non-conference game and get paid for it we are benefiting from it.
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Having them be obligated to play a certain amount of games against Big 12 teams in football would essentially be like them belonging to the conference anyway. And when you look at how they have struggled recently with the same agreement with the BE, imagine what their record would have been like lately if they replaced the games with Pitt, UCONN, Syracuse, etc..with big 12 teams. It would look great to have 3 big 12 teams beat up on ND each year. The only downside is UT thinking they wanted the the same deal.
ND would also be a part of the Big 12 bowl package. Guess what, an 8-4 ISU will get passed over for a 6-6 ND team EVERY TIME.
It's really a shame how often our 8 win teams have gotten screwed.
Since you're privy to the Big 12 - ND negotiations, what else haven't they told us? Are we going to become Catholic?
By the Big ten going to 9 conference games, ND may be forced/decide to play more Big 12 members in non conference games. Hey, the Big 12 will be 16 decent teams and safe in a few years with a big media payroll. Looks like we married the right woman. To hell with TAMmy.
We are trying to be GOD's League for all religions: ND, BYU, Baylor, TCU, and non conference games with SMU. No Jehovah's Witnesses allowed though.
We could run four Divisions: GOD (Baylor/TCU/BYU POD), Devils (MO/UT/OU POD), Agnostics (TT/OSU/WVU), Mankind (ISU/KU/KSU)
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It's reasonable to assume since all the current Big East Bowls are also affiliated with ND that the Big 12 bowls would follow suit.
Also the six game thing is from Chip Brown's article.
having ND in the Big 12 as a partial member is very bad for ISU, there is absolutely no upside other than them joining as a full member down the road. Looking at history it doesn't look they're all that interested in joining any conference.
Better with them than against them. It will put pressure on Big Ten to go find a Rutgers or SEC bound ZOU for filler material.:twitcy:
Once again ISU benefits from tv contracts and equally now I might add. 3 probably Tier 1 games with ND helps us in our negotiations for our new tier 1 deal.
This is tough to say but if ISU was an equally valuable member is probably bad, but the fact is we bring amost nothing to the table for the Big 12 in football which is the only thing that matters. Ouch it hurts to say that. We have no choice in this conference or any other, so if it bolsters the conference for the long term than so be it. At least it provides a major conference home for the basketball team where we have a better chance of competing.
This is tough to say but if ISU was an equally valuable member is probably bad, but the fact is we bring amost nothing to the table for the Big 12 in football which is the only thing that matters. Ouch it hurts to say that. We have no choice in this conference or any other, so if it bolsters the conference for the long term than so be it. At least it provides a major conference home for the basketball team where we have a better chance of competing.
I have it on good authority (namely, the voices in my head) that the Big XII has also extended invitations to Bob Jones Univ., Oral Roberts U., and Maharishi U. If we're not careful, ISU will have to declare a religious affiliation soon. I propose whatever church Charlie Sheen goes to.
Let's say the ND deal requires them to play both Texas and OU annually (this seems to be what Texas is seeking). Those marquee match ups alone along with the additions of TCU and WV more than replace any value that A&M and Mizzou brught to the table. Then, ND plays the 8 other conference members on a rotating basis (ie. home and homes 2 of every 4 years). ISU gets ND in Ames once every 4th year -- a guaranteed sell out. ND basketball would also be an above average draw. ND is closer to ISU than most conference schools for travel. Maybe ISU signs up to play ND in Soldier Field every once in a while also -- opening up opportunities for ISU to showcase itself in Chicago, a major recruiting hotbed that we have seldom tapped that sits only 6 hours down the road. It also helps open up Chicago to basketball recruiting potentially benefitting ISU as the closest Big 12 school to Chicago over any other member. Chicago becomes a possible close destination for the Big 12 basketball tournament as well.
With the $$$, recruiting and publicity benefits, it is a deal too good to pass up, IMO. I would like it even better if Louisville joined as a full member and BYU joined as a football only member to balance out the FB and basketball sides at 12 each. If you really wanted to create an uber basketball league at that point, you could also invite Villanova, St. John's, Georgetown and Marquette for basketball only to go to 16 for basketball, solidifying the Big 12 as the preeminent basketball conference. MSG then becomes the Big 12 conference tournament home (the only destination preferable to KC for me).
With the $$$, recruiting and publicity benefits, it is a deal too good to pass up, IMO. I would like it even better if Louisville joined as a full member and BYU joined as a football only member to balance out the FB and basketball sides at 12 each. If you really wanted to create an uber basketball league at that point, you could also invite Villanova, St. John's, Georgetown and Marquette for basketball only to go to 16 for basketball, solidifying the Big 12 as the preeminent basketball conference. MSG then becomes the Big 12 conference tournament home (the only destination preferable to KC for me).
