Notre Dame

[royhobbs09]

Big 12 North:
Iowa State
Louisville
Kansas State
Kansas
Cincinatti
West Virginia
Notre Dame (Non-Football)

Big 12 South:
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU (Non-Football)

Why wouldn't this work?

I think this would work better for ISU's recruiting purposes:

Big 12 West

Oklahoma
OSU
Texas Tech
TCU
BYU (football only)
Kansas State

Big 12 East

Iowa State
Louisville
West Virginia
Texas
Baylor
Kansas

Throw Notre Dame in for basketball (with no divisions).

 

[VeloClone]

I have it on good authority (namely, the voices in my head) that the Big XII has also extended invitations to Bob Jones Univ., Oral Roberts U., and Maharishi U. If we're not careful, ISU will have to declare a religious affiliation soon. I propose whatever church Charlie Sheen goes to.

That's a no-brainer since his church is "Winning"!

 

[Senolcyc]

Definitely NO to Notre Dame joining as a half-assed member in only the sports it wants.

 

[HFCS]

Right now IS the super-conference scenario, just not in the 4x16 way larry scott dreamed of.

What were the biggest problems with the old BCS vs Non-BCS leagues...

Big East never deserved an auto bid
ACC only deserved an auto bid half the time
MWC often deserved a bid every bit as much as the ACC and Big East.

EVERYTHING about that is now completely remedied.

1. Big East is losing the bid it never deserved and all or nearly all of it's members are finding a place in another AQ league.

2. ACC is more deserving of a bid now that it has 14 or 16 members instead of 12.

3. TCU and Utah have found BCS homes. BYU and BSU still might. Even if they don't the MWC/CUSA merger is basically a deserving way to grant a bid to one of 20-24 schools.

Super conferences are here. These auto bids could just as easily be auto playoff births.

Before you had 7 leagues. 4 definitely deserved AQ, 2 had one without deserving one, one didn't have one even though it deserved it as much as the other two.

Now you have 6 leagues. 4 of them are football powerhouses. ACC and MWC/CUSA are not powerhouses but at 16 or 20-24 teams they still deserve a bid. The ACC, Big East, CUSA, and MWC never deserved the same number of auto bids as the SEC and Big 12. Now that they are consolidated massive conferences it makes a lot more sense to give their winner an AQ every season.

Things could have ended much much worse than they did. If the chips fall predictably from here Notre Dame (back to thread topic) is the only wild card of major instability or AQ BCS/auto playoff bid controversy.

 

[HFCS]

Big 12 North:
Iowa State
Louisville
Kansas State
Kansas
Cincinatti
West Virginia
Notre Dame (Non-Football)

Big 12 South:
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU (Non-Football)

Why wouldn't this work?

I think BYU will join football only but only temporarily.

12 is a must regardless of what Mizzou does. 14 is something you do only if you can get the right teams involved imo.

The big question is you only go to 12, if BYU is in the mix or if it's all 3 Big East schools. Basically Cincy vs BYU. BYU is more of a sure thing in terms of putting fans in seats and in front of TV screens (really they're better than WVU in that respect), but Cincy has potential. That's my take.

Louisville is even more of a no brainer with WVU in for sure than they were before, wonder why they aren't even being announced in tandem. Pitt/Cuse was a package story.

 

[Cyclonz]

I'm in the ALL IN camp. Too much hassle if not ALL IN.

 

[Judoka]

I'm in the ALL IN camp. Too much hassle if not ALL IN.

Totally agree. Notre Dame for all sports would be awesome. Notre Dame still independent for football would signal the end of the conference a few years down the road when Texas does the same thing.

 

[cyatheart]

I think you are missing the benefits, even if football never joins. Their deal with big east includes football games in mon conf schedule, 3-4 I believe. Those games are worth about a million dollars per school. Even if ISU gets ND every 3 years, I think it would be great to have a home and home with ND. Money, recruiting, and just lots of fun for cyclones fans. ND is solid pickup for conf in non football sports as well.

Besides if they do decide to join a conference in fb, the odds of it being big 12 go up substantially if there other sports are already there.

In theory it sounds good, but it just adds instability I think. And ND is NEVER going to play a football game in Ames...ever, and I am confident when I say that. I could see us playing there and then maybe instead of them coming to Ames, we would play them in Soldier Field. But I do not want to give them special treatment, it just breeds instability longer term. Would rather not have them then have their Olympic sports.

 

[TedKumsher]

So the downside is basically the feeling that they aren't "all in". That's my summary interpretation.

Of course, it's different from the non-equal issues we've been having, because ND wouldn't be part of the football conference, wouldn't be part of the football TV revenue deal, wouldn't take (steal) a share of the football TV money. It's not like they will be in the conference for football, get all the benefits of being in the conference for football, but STILL have their own sweetheart NBC deal AND their own separate BCS clause PLUS the Big 12 BCS slot WITHOUT signing their Tier 1/2 rights to the conference.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

[ Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense - CBSSports.com

 

[Win5002]

Texas has stated over and over they don't want to be independent, and if they wanted to they certainly could have already so thats a moot point.

How does the Big 12 not help themselves by adding 3 ND games to their tier 1 rights?

Do I hate their arrogance at times? yes. But the league might as well take the benefits from them that they can. Remember we are tryig to maximize our tv revenues as a 10 team league even previously being at 12. By adding the 9th conference game that helps some and I'm sure the tier 1 rights holder will appreciate 3 matchups with ND.

 

[dmclone]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I'd rather see a few more schools similar to ISU. Everyone is complaining about ISU having a tough schedule. How is adding WV going to help us? At least with Missouri and Colorado we could beat them once in a while.

 

[cyman05]

Let me throw a hypothetical out there for you all to see what you think.

Let's say ND joins for non-football and ends up playing somewhere between 4-6 big 12 teams in football every year. You know the teams they end up playing annually will be big names...they won't be playing ISU (or if they do it will be rare).

Here's the question. The B12 Tier 1 deal with ABC is due about the same time as the ND deal with NBC. Let's assume Notre Dame wants to keep NBC as a TV partner. Who do you think NBC is going to tell Notre Dame to keep having a mini-partnership with? The Big East for a few games/yr, or the Big 12? There will be a lot more viewers for ND-Texas/OU/WV/Texas Tech/Okla St compared to ND-UConn/Cincy/SMU/Air Force. NBC is going to nudge ND to semi-partner with the Big 12 over a lesser Big East.

What about from the Big 12's perspective? When Tier 1 comes up, don't you think NBC-Universal will be a lot more interested in being a serious bidder if ND is a semi-partner? NBC wouldn't just have the rights to Texas-ND in South Bend, but also in Austin if they buy the B12 Tier 1 rights. Even if NBC didn't win the bidding, they drive up the price for the competition. And even if NBC didn't somehow seem too interested in bidding, there'd be more nationally marquee games for ABC to select with ND being a semi-member, which would drive up the price of the contract.

Regardless of whether you think ND should be a semi-member or not, you have to admit that financially it'd be a big boost if it happened.

 

[Judoka]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I'd rather see a few more schools similar to ISU. Everyone is complaining about ISU having a tough schedule. How is adding WV going to help us? At least with Missouri and Colorado we could beat them once in a while.

that part of why I want Louisville and Cincy to come aboard with WVU. We are top heavy enough.

 

[LZclone]

Been discussed, but I agree...no thanks

Sorry to get off topic, but Mr. No 1 Fan... could you provide a wallpaper size HD picture of your avatar?

When I filter through these threads I seem to always get stuck on yours. At first it was because I thought you had great insight and wonderfully crafted points, but I have come to realize it is just your avatar.

Thank you.

 

[Cyforce]

ND without football could lead to Texas without football.

 

[MaccloNe]

All in to not at all. That's what she said.

 

[Cloner97]

I actually like the idea, so long as there is a rotating football games with ND.

 

[CrossCyed]

ND without football could lead to Texas without football.

No it doesn't and I have no clue why people perpetuate this, except for they like being scared.

The Big 12 isn't going to cut ND the same deal they had with the Big East. And people still haven't told me where Texas would park it's other sports, because the Big 12 wouldn't allow them to stay, and no other BCS conference would likely allow them with the LHN.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

As long as there is a hand shake deal included ensuring that ND join the conference in the event that they have to join a conference, I'm cool with it.

As for the B1G, I think aligning with the Big12 like this would burn some bridges for ND.

No way--the B1G has been after ND forever; they wouldn't let a little affair with the Big 12 keep them from pursing ND.

I also don't buy the argument that allowing ND in for all sports but football makes the Big 12 the favorite to land ND's football program should their hand be played. ND has longstanding rivalries with the Michigan schools and Purdue, and virtually no connections to the Big 12, and if ever there was a school that valued tradition (i.e., issues letting go of their ancient past), it's Notre Dame. If they're ever "forced" out of their independent status, I can only see them ever joining the B1G.