Obesity

I will give you the safety point that you bring up. Exercising in those situations would not be good.

The heat issue is relative. Iowa has more than their share of days that are hot and very humid. Granted it may not be like Houston but still hot and Humid. I tend to find time on these days to go for a run. I am headed to Dallas/Ft Worth on Wed and you can be sure that I will still work out while I'm down there. I will soak through everything that I have on but still I will manage. If you live there I would think that you would be somewhat used to the heat and somekind of physical activity during the cooler part of the day would be possible.

Plan on working out before the sun comes up. It's about 78-80 degrees as a low in College Station, TX. Up until 10:30-11:00am is okay to work out outside. After that and until about an hour or two after sundown it's too hot to work out outside. High temp + higher sun intensity can really **** you up.
 
SF does bring up a good point about heat/humidity and safety concerns. But, as IcSyU pointed out, you don't have to go full boar from the start. In fact, you shouldn't if you're just getting into exercising. Your body will adjust to climate conditions, but there are also precautions you can take to avoid heatstroke, etc... I started getting up at 6am to run. I hate running. I hate getting up early. But if I wanted to make exercising fit in my schedule, that's what I had to do. Again, it's work and it's not fun, but, to me, it's better than the alternative of being unhealthy.
 
People that are fat eat too many calories. That is all.


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Obesity is really robbing us of more good looking women. Thats what angers me. Which leads me to my next conclusion, that plus size modeling is only making the epidemic worse. These plus sized models make women feel it is ok to be fat.
 
Of course, acclimation can/will happen. I probably won't, I handle 20-50 much better than 90-110, and I always have (I'm sure some on here would suggest I quit my job and move to a cooler climate so it's easier to work out, but it's not an option).

Think about it from the perspective of someone who's obese or morbidly obese and just starting out, though. I'd guess weather concerns would make it much more likely for them to start, feel miserable, and quit on their exercise regime. Sure, they COULD work through it, but if they don't have the will to keep up an exercise regimen in good conditions, it's just another roadblock/reason/excuse to fail.

Combination of bad conditions and the American "instant gratification" mentality.
 
Because I only have a couple of minutes, I wanted to throw in a thought. The talk about outdoors being free, sidewalks, etc. bugs me a bit.

Not everybody lives in the nice, temperate climate like Iowa. It must be nice to have 78 degree weather (heat index 81) like in Ames right now. Have most of you ragging on the "deep south" (granted, the food is horrible for you) ever even been there, much less in the summer? It's 94 with a heat index of 111 in Houston right now (pretty mild humidity for July today, as well), and even after the sun goes down, it's gonna be 90's out. It's been like that since early June, with the exception of the few days that Hurricane Alex soaked us, and will be like that until October.

That's big-time heat exaustion/stroke territory, especially for the obese. I walked out to my car to get a book an hour ago, and my shirt's still not dry. Do you go outside and walk in the winter when the wind chill is -5 out every day? Probably not, you go to a gym (like I do when it's this hot out - and before you label, I run 3-5 times a week when I'm not exhausted from work and night classes), or you're SOL.

Moreover, news flash, not everywhere is as safe as Iowa. There are areas in Houston (as in every big city), that I wouldn't feel safe walking out at night in if I had an assault rifle with me. Come on down and take a stroll in the 5th Ward at night here and let me know if you'd want to walk there every night. On top of that, those areas are population dense and usually poor - the same people who can't afford a gym membership.

Just food for thought. Call them excuses if you want. You can go back to telling us lazy, worthless, unintelligent eyesore "fatties" how to live, what to eat, where we can live, and how to spend our money. Thanks, comrades.

Yes, while summers are brutal down south (trust me, I know), you can still get up early or go late in most places. Otherwise, the only option is really the gym. I know here, the YMCA has discounts for people that can't afford it. I don't know what the other options are, but I'm sure there are some somewhere, especially for kids.

At any rate, that doesn't excuse the fall, winter and spring, where it's all quite temperate. In fact, that's one of the big reasons for living there in the first place - year round activities outside. And it's not like Iowa doesn't get hot either. There are a whole bunch of people riding bikes across it in the middle of July

I agree that it's not easy. That's not the point, though. I'm not telling other people how to live. I don't have a huge problem with the obese. I was one of them.

I just have a hard time with the vast majority of obese people telling me that they are genuinely more happy being obese than they would be if they were healthier. That's a lie, for most people. It's a convenient lie to cover up years of poor health choices, and possibly addictions that are difficult, painful and otherwise hard to change.

Nobody is calling obese people unintelligent or worthless. Lazy, perhaps. Ignorant, perhaps. But that's different than unintelligent or worthless.

In fact, it's exactly because many of them are intelligent and worthwhile that it is to society's benefit to keep them healthy and higher performing for as long as they can.

The only real problem aside from that is with the health care system. Obese people (and smokers, for that matter) are a burden on it moreso than people who live a healthy lifestyle. The health care system is a public service (like it or not) that is shared by all. Some people abuse it, by abusing themselves, and that's not fair to the responsible minority who make responsible decisions.

Health is just as much an individual responsibility as finance is. Some people can take care of themselves, while others cannot and it's often the responsible ones who are left with the burden of cleaning up after them.
 
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Of course, acclimation can/will happen. I probably won't, I handle 20-50 much better than 90-110, and I always have (I'm sure some on here would suggest I quit my job and move to a cooler climate so it's easier to work out, but it's not an option).

Think about it from the perspective of someone who's obese or morbidly obese and just starting out, though. I'd guess weather concerns would make it much more likely for them to start, feel miserable, and quit on their exercise regime. Sure, they COULD work through it, but if they don't have the will to keep up an exercise regimen in good conditions, it's just another roadblock/reason/excuse to fail.

Combination of bad conditions and the American "instant gratification" mentality.

Realistically you cant quit your job just because it is too hot to exercise, and I'm not suggesting that. I totally agree that the weather is a potential roadblock for someone just starting out and is definately an easy excuse to stop. Starting slow and then building up is key.
Its all about the mindset, if you are truly committed you can find a way to make it work. I agree with the instant gratification and I am guilty of this myself. I have tried pills/diets etc with no real results. The only thing that worked for me is a lifestyle change. Now regular exercise is a part of my daily routine and to he honest if I skip 2 or more days I start to feel crappy. I dont enjoy working out but I hate the way that I feel if I dont.
 
I have definitely noticed my grocery bill going up since I started living a more healthy lifestyle. I think part of the answer is to create a financial incentive for people to consume more healthy foods. I don't know exactly in what form that comes, but I don't think that the rest of the public should be forced to pay (through health care costs) for the poor health decisions of the growing (literally) masses.
As have I. I've seen my grocery bill increase since changing my eating habits. At the same time, very shortly here, the amount of money I spend to take Vytorin and Tricor every month is going to go from hundreds of dollars to zero. That's my financial incentive for switching to consume more healthy foods.

I don't need others to pay for my health care and I don't need to pay for other people's health care. I'm doing just fine on my own.
 
Good lord it is out of control. I swear you can't go anywhere and not be outnumbered by morbidly obese people anymore. I'm sure most of these folks are good people, but good lord it's just getting ridiculous.
Agreed and it's not just adults. Kid's starting preschool show up being too heavy to walk into the building. Our diets are terrible, people get zero exercise it's an epidemic. I see people on a fairly regular basis that have to weigh four hundred pounds. Image what that feels like.
 
Buying healthy foods that satisfies everyone in our house isn't an easy task, but with 6 of us, the wife does an incredible job of it while usually not spending more than 120 a week. Limiting video games, tv time and spending a lot of time outdoors keeps our kids healthy, and me and the wife sane.
 
As have I. I've seen my grocery bill increase since changing my eating habits. At the same time, very shortly here, the amount of money I spend to take Vytorin and Tricor every month is going to go from hundreds of dollars to zero. That's my financial incentive for switching to consume more healthy foods.

I don't need others to pay for my health care and I don't need to pay for other people's health care. I'm doing just fine on my own.

And I think that's the point. I don't know how you balance out the cost of unhealthy life choices in terms of medical treatment. Do you tax trans-fat, or saturated fat? Do you tax food based on nuval scores or something similar? Do you have health care premiums tied to lifestyle choices? Do you deny health care to people who are obese?

With your example, you have reduced your health care expenditures (and your insurance company's) by bettering your lifestyle. That is, or should be, one of the major goals of any sort of "social engineering" campaign. How do you entice people to do so, though?

Ideally, you'd have something akin to a health care toll road, where cars pay one rate, and semis pay another, mainly because one is far harder on the road than the other.
 
I get up at 4:30 in the morning and go work out. I eat a healthy lunch and for suppper I just kind of eat whatever. You cant do nothing, eat crappy every meal, eat snacks in between, and expect to be skinny. I am naturally big also. That is why I work hard. I am still 205 pounds at 6'1. I just don't see how people let themselves go so much. How hard is it to eat a turkey sammy for lunch. How hard is it to use light mayo instead of the real deal. It's little things that make you smaller.
 
Dammit, I misread "uneducated" as "unintelligent" earlier in this thread, so that was misused hyperbole. The "quit my job" remark was an allusion to whomever it was that suggested clonefreek be closer to his job so he could bike there (which implies either finding a new job or moving - both major life changes that are a little rediculous for the sake of "exercise")

Combine a percieved insult to intelligence with some folks believing they have the right to tell other people how to live their life (this is America, dammit, not Soviet Russia) and you get the irritation in my posts.

I would never disagree that there is a major obesity problem in this country, and that many of those people are lazy as hell. I was at a zoo a month ago and was shaking my head at the size of some of the kids. It probably irritates the ex-fat guys and those of us who are trying to shape up more than it does the skinny folks, because it makes us look worse. I know why I'm overweight - combination of a knee injury at the end of high school and 5 years of long nights of little sleep (if any), drinking on the weekends, and late-night food in college - all of which was my choice (except the knee injury, obviously).

True story to end on a lighter note - about a week ago I was buying motor oil in a Wal-Mart and saw a big ol' boy on a Rascal. The motor had died, and rather than walking to the entrance and getting a new one, he was using his left foot to propel the Rascal back to the entrance., six inches at a time. God damn that's lazy.
 
And I think that's the point. I don't know how you balance out the cost of unhealthy life choices in terms of medical treatment. Do you tax trans-fat, or saturated fat? Do you tax food based on nuval scores or something similar? Do you have health care premiums tied to lifestyle choices? Do you deny health care to people who are obese?

With your example, you have reduced your health care expenditures (and your insurance company's) by bettering your lifestyle. That is, or should be, one of the major goals of any sort of "social engineering" campaign. How do you entice people to do so, though?

Ideally, you'd have something akin to a health care toll road, where cars pay one rate, and semis pay another, mainly because one is far harder on the road than the other.

I don't think it's unreasonable to tie your health insurance premiums to your level of health or some such measurable factor. You pay more for life insurance if you're a smoker, why not pay more for health insurance if you're severely overweight?
 
Dammit, I misread "uneducated" as "unintelligent" earlier in this thread, so that was misused hyperbole. The "quit my job" remark was an allusion to whomever it was that suggested clonefreek be closer to his job so he could bike there (which implies either finding a new job or moving - both major life changes that are a little rediculous for the sake of "exercise")

Combine a percieved insult to intelligence with some folks believing they have the right to tell other people how to live their life (this is America, dammit, not Soviet Russia) and you get the irritation in my posts.

I would never disagree that there is a major obesity problem in this country, and that many of those people are lazy as hell. I was at a zoo a month ago and was shaking my head at the size of some of the kids. It probably irritates the ex-fat guys and those of us who are trying to shape up more than it does the skinny folks, because it makes us look worse. I know why I'm overweight - combination of a knee injury at the end of high school and 5 years of long nights of little sleep (if any), drinking on the weekends, and late-night food in college - all of which was my choice (except the knee injury, obviously).

True story to end on a lighter note - about a week ago I was buying motor oil in a Wal-Mart and saw a big ol' boy on a Rascal. The motor had died, and rather than walking to the entrance and getting a new one, he was using his left foot to propel the Rascal back to the entrance., six inches at a time. God damn that's lazy.

Totally understandable. I don't get the hating on people just because they are fat. I do, however, agree with Colin Cowherd, that being fat tends to reflect a lack of discipline (he was talking about Mangino at KU at the time), which has a tendency to manifest itself in other ways. It takes a LOT of discipline to lose weight. Far more than it takes to maintain a lifestyle that supports a healthy weight (IMO), but they go hand in hand.

It doesn't take much discipline at all to plow a large pizza down every night and keep buying a back scrubber with a longer handle every few months so you can still reach all the spots you need to wash in the shower.
 
Lets just look at it this way..is it really too hard for someone to go out and work out a few times a week? Come on people, get off your ***
 
True story to end on a lighter note - about a week ago I was buying motor oil in a Wal-Mart and saw a big ol' boy on a Rascal. The motor had died, and rather than walking to the entrance and getting a new one, he was using his left foot to propel the Rascal back to the entrance., six inches at a time. God damn that's lazy.
Why didn't you just get off and walk? :wink:
 
I don't think it's unreasonable to tie your health insurance premiums to your level of health or some such measurable factor. You pay more for life insurance if you're a smoker, why not pay more for health insurance if you're severely overweight?

The two major problems with this are one - by the time you're obese, the health care system has to take care of you, and you're already expensive. Two, with obesity and poverty tied so closely together, it's highly likely that a much larger pool of obese people will also have low incomes, and thus not be able to afford the increased premiums, which will lead to more uninsured, which will lead to an even smaller risk pool, which will drive up premiums even higher, and so on.

The real goal should be preventative. Changing the way foods (especially food purchased by the public ala welfare and school lunches) are purchased and consumed. Perhaps giving people a minimum nuval score per category for food purchased on food stamps etc. Maybe give preference to locally produced food, which tends to have fewer preservatives , and is less processed than stuff that's trucked in from elsewhere.

There is really no easy solution, IMO, but it is definitely a problem shared by society on the whole.
 
The two major problems with this are one - by the time you're obese, the health care system has to take care of you, and you're already expensive. Two, with obesity and poverty tied so closely together, it's highly likely that a much larger pool of obese people will also have low incomes, and thus not be able to afford the increased premiums, which will lead to more uninsured, which will lead to an even smaller risk pool, which will drive up premiums even higher, and so on.

The real goal should be preventative. Changing the way foods (especially food purchased by the public ala welfare and school lunches) are purchased and consumed. Perhaps giving people a minimum nuval score per category for food purchased on food stamps etc. Maybe give preference to locally produced food, which tends to have fewer preservatives , and is less processed than stuff that's trucked in from elsewhere.

There is really no easy solution, IMO, but it is definitely a problem shared by society on the whole.

That's putting an awful lot of faith in that hs kid working the register at Walgreen's or Aldi's. Look at the crap that people get away with using food stamps for now. It's nuts.