Offensive Adjustments

[tman24]

We changed philosophy a couple games ago. About half time of Baylor. We would pass to set up the run (even a few medium routes). We would pass 90% until the run loosened and the split pretty evenly. Now we will just run to run and out pass routes have shortened. We are getting run blitzed non stop. We need to go back to what we did up to halftime if Baylor. No idea why we changed.

Teams just put 2 high safeties. This is enough to scare Dekkers from throwing deep. Corners sit back and wait for the dump pass. Linebackers keep run blitzing. Super easy to defend this offense.

Dekkers throws are late or at the recievers ankles so most of the time it's incomplete and we are behind the chains so rinse and repeat.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Teams just put 2 high safeties. This is enough to scare Dekkers from throwing deep. Corners sit back and wait for the dump pass. Linebackers keep run blitzing. Super easy to defend this offense.

Dekkers throws are late or at the recievers ankles so most of the time it's incomplete and we are behind the chains so rinse and repeat.

I've always thought Shaw should be our team's deep threat, but seemingly he's a non-factor in most of the games.

 

[cyfan21]

I actually thought the TE's played well last night. Dekkers really struggles to see the whole field and gets locked on to Hutch

Reminds me of Kirk cousins

 

[ClonerJams]

Some things my amateur football mind would like to see:

More presnap motion. Watching Kansas do this against TCU yesterday definitely had the frogs confused.
Use some jetsweep plays with Noel, and throw Quaron Adams in there for this as well. Attack the edges more rather than run up the middle where there is nothing.
Start playing Jason Essex as a hybrid TE/WR to create some mismatches.
Throw more WR screen passes. Use we this early in the game, and its usually successful and for whatever reason we abandon it.

 

[heitclone]

I kind of wonder, if we aren't tipping plays somehow. There were sone times where literally k state had to know the play

During the Iowa game, they quoted Parker as saying they basically knew what we were going to run every play, the only time they didn't was when we sped things up.

 

[isufanz1]

Look again, Campbell said he has a huge part in the offensive game plan and what not.

So yes, Manning needs to go. But a new OC is not going to change anything unless CMC is willing to let him open it up.

CMC is amazing and I hope he's here for 15-20 years. But he's a conservative coach by nature who wants to play good defense, run the ball and take minimal risks on offense. Which is fine - lots of teams do. But the offense of Iowa State is the offense of Matt Campbell not Tom Manning. Manning calls the plays but he 100% answers to CMC - he was brought up thru the ranks at Toledo by Campbell.


Will a new offensive coordinator help but until this year we had statistically very good offenses.
But a new OC alone isn't going to change things hugely unless CMC wants to change the philosophy.

Also for all the crap Myers gets - its weird to me that we don't even have a full time receivers coach. Scheelhaase coaches botht the running backs and the receivers which seems an odd combination. Typically if you're going to combine you'd have Tight Ends and Receivers or in a similar system Tight Ends and Tackles.

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None of this is an excuse for Manning. The Man is more predictable than the Sun rising in the East, doesn't feel the flow of a game well and is more redundant than I am about making long winded posts. All I'm saying is the offenses' problems go well beyond Manning because no Offensive Coordinator stays employed unless they are marching to the beat of the HC

I don’t disagree with your thought about CMC and the offense. Given that is the case, and past history showing his offense only executes with a NFL quality rb, recruiting better really step up for rb as right now there is not a NFL rb in the room. DM and BH were awesome despite very mediocre line play - current backs are not at that level.

 

[madguy30]

I don’t disagree with your thought about CMC and the offense. Given that is the case, and past history showing his offense only executes with a NFL quality rb, recruiting better really step up for rb as right now there is not a NFL rb in the room. DM and BH were awesome despite very mediocre line play - current backs are not at that level.

It's unfortunate that Norton got injured as I think he could extend plays just from a small sample.

I whiffed a bit on thinking the RB's are a really strong group; There's talent there but they're basically complimentary of an every down guy.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

During the Iowa game, they quoted Parker as saying they basically knew what we were going to run every play, the only time they didn't was when we sped things up.

This^^^. After a big play, when you run up with "tempo"....don't then stand up and look over at the sideline waiting for a play. Because whatever play you were going to run in "tempo" is probably just as good or better than the one coming down from the OC after he studies the defense.

And if for any reason you don't have a play ready to go........then don't act like you are going "tempo". No one is fooled anymore. Just go into huddle and get the play from the sideline.

 

[simply1]

We need those Jay segments from a few years ago back.

He was really good at picking apart different aspects and pointing out what was missing.

In all, ISU needs a run game really badly and that doesn't look like it will happen this year.
Many keep throwing out the buzz words like 'creative' and 'innovative' but you at least need something to play off of to innovate.

Jay has a segment before each game and I think he’s been pretty on point with things.

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[cyclone82]

During the Iowa game, they quoted Parker as saying they basically knew what we were going to run every play, the only time they didn't was when we sped things up.

I've said this every game since the sukeye game.....and every coach has also repeated it.
The offense sets and plays are just too damn simple.
Parker said at halftime.....that wanted to keep us from going tempo....because when we did they had no idea what was going to happen.
When we set....they knew what to look for.....
How in the f**k don't our coaches hear that ****....and if they do hear it why don't they change **** up ????
Maddening....and incompetent on their part...

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

Question for anyone who may have inside knowledge, do the players like Manning? Do they enjoy playing for him?

 

[HFCS]

Breece just had 200 all purpose yards for the Jets.

These offensive problems are 2-3 years old but having possibly the best offensive playmaker in college football two years in a row is a hell of an antidote for them.

 

[joefrog]

I've said this every game since the sukeye game.....and every coach has also repeated it.
The offense sets and plays are just too damn simple.
Parker said at halftime.....that wanted to keep us from going tempo....because when we did they had no idea what was going to happen.
When we set....they knew what to look for.....
How in the f**k don't our coaches hear that ****....and if they do hear it why don't they change **** up ????
Maddening....and incompetent on their part...

Worse.

Arrogance. They think the plan is just fine, the problem is the execution.

Hence why CMC got so mad at the fanbase. See, we just don't understand how brilliant our offense really is.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Here's what people are actually reacting to: When in 2017 ISU didn't have the defensive personnel to run the scheme effectively, the coaches were able to completely revamp it, over a bye week mind you, and rescue the season. Now presented the same situation on the other side of the ball, nothing happens. And in the process, they are wasting the effort of the defense that has been beyond solid ever since the first change was made.

They've shown in the past that they can correctly identify the issues and innovate solutions. So do it again and don't waste the effort this defense is giving.

I’m pretty tired of having the goal on first down being to get to 2nd and 4. Maybe it’s just me but seems like we never attack on 1st down in close games unless time is running out.

 

[cygrads]

When we run the ball, it’s obvious we are running the ball. They also run the same two run plays. If it’s Brock, it’s straight up the middle. If it’s Silas, it’s to the outside. The pass plays are all pretty much the same routes too. Shallow crossing routes, shallow curl/comebacks, and slow developing deep posts that are never thrown too anyway. He never should have been brought back, and it was a serious red flag when Campbell didn’t hire anyone to be the OC when he left, a sign looking back now that he knew Manning would be back in a year and he could have his job back. Even though the team had the now OC at top 10 Tennessee. Campbell didn’t hire anyone so his best bud could have a spot, even though he’s a ******* clown and doesn’t know **** about running an offense. His numbers overall in his tenure are good because they had two future starting NFL backs and 3 years of a QB who’s in the NFL also. He doesn’t have that now, and what people like I could see all along, is now being seen by everyone.

Agree, Manning's offense was successful because of the NFL talent and in spite of his "talents".

 

[Primetime26]

Some things my amateur football mind would like to see:

More presnap motion. Watching Kansas do this against TCU yesterday definitely had the frogs confused.
Use some jetsweep plays with Noel, and throw Quaron Adams in there for this as well. Attack the edges more rather than run up the middle where there is nothing.
Start playing Jason Essex as a hybrid TE/WR to create some mismatches.
Throw more WR screen passes. Use we this early in the game, and its usually successful and for whatever reason we abandon it.

got to argee to disagree here...

More motion? Ive seen more penalties for illegal formation under manning than all the football ive watch in my lifetime.

our current, bigger TE cant block so idk why essex would

our screens have not been successful at all. lineman aren't out setup or ball is low a few different times

 

[madguy30]

got to argee to disagree here...

More motion? Ive seen more penalties for illegal formation under manning than all the football ive watch in my lifetime.

our current, bigger TE cant block so idk why essex would

our screens have not been successful at all. lineman aren't out setup or ball is low a few different times

Yeah the half speed/jog motion just to motion since it doesn't seem to influence the defense causes enough problems including bogging down any sort of rhythm on drives.

 

[CyState85]

I actually thought the TE's played well last night. Dekkers really struggles to see the whole field and gets locked on to Hutch

I think our TE’s (including Rus) have less than 200 yards on the year combined and 120 or so of those yards were against SEMO and Ohio. If they are a not in the game plan, might as well go 4 wide because defenses know they aren’t a threat.

 

[madguy30]

I’m pretty tired of having the goal on first down being to get to 2nd and 4. Maybe it’s just me but seems like we never attack on 1st down in close games unless time is running out.

Especially after getting a first down on even a quasi-explosive play.

It looks like ISU has a team on their heals and then backs off to let them get settled back in.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Especially after getting a first down on even a quasi-explosive play.

It looks like ISU has a team on their heals and then backs off to let them get settled back in.

I would like to know what kind of voodoo analytics the program roles with.