Offensive Line Concerns

[EvilBetty]

OL never any good under CMC? Led the Big 12 in passing last year. Last two feature backs left early after stellar careers and are NFL starters. Last QB amassed record yards, wins and TD's while avoiding injury. Evidently the OL had nothing to do with any of that.

purdy was running for his life most of his career. a pure pocket passer would have led the league in terms of being sacked. purdy was a magician at times in avoiding sacks (but also bailed early at times). watch the game against ouast season. brutal.

montgomery specifically made up for a weak OL by being an absolute stud. led the nation in broken tackles. the bulk of which were behind the L.O.S.

zero of the OL blocking for dm or bh are in the nfl. they are in the nfl because they are studs, not because the OL was good. serviceable? sure. above average? no.

 

[madguy30]

You are correct in that the quoted bolded part was never stated by you and the bolded part does not state that you did. I am still waiting for your statistical proof that the OL has "no push".

Not sure where they were statistically, but how has ISU been in short yardage?

Reliable enough to line up to lean in and get it, no problem?

Is it safe to assume DM should have had more rushing yards in 2018 with better play up front? I think so.

If things have been so good why is there a thread on Oline concerns because of one injury, and why have multiple posters referred to it as a weakness?

2020 was about as dominant as I've seen ISU up front.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Remember when Manning was oline coach of the year?

 

[madguy30]

purdy was running for his life most of his career. a pure pocket passer would have led the league in terms of being sacked. purdy was a magician at times in avoiding sacks (but also bailed early at times). watch the game against ouast season. brutal.

montgomery specifically made up for a weak OL by being an absolute stud. led the nation in broken tackles. the bulk of which were behind the L.O.S.

zero of the OL blocking for dm or bh are in the nfl. they are in the nfl because they are studs, not because the OL was good. serviceable? sure. above average? no.

Was ISU running zone blocking and then switched it up prior to last season?

Seemed their personnel was better for zone/stretch plays and it was weird to switch things up if it happened.

 

[VeloClone]

Can’t build a wall with one brick

Nope but last year they had the middle three but didn't have the tackles. If they have a right tackle (Hunter's blindside) they will be on their way.

 

[bozclone]

I played running back in HS. My son played OL in HS. What I have learned from the experience is that everyone ******* about the offensive line and very few people have any understanding of how difficult it is to play offensive line. There are no plays off and you are expected to physically dominate the guy across from you every single play. It is a thankless job. Often the thought is that the team had success despite of you not because of you. Does our offense line need to improve? Yes. But let’s back away from the ledge a little. I for one am excited about the potential this group has. I think Miller can be a stud and the three interior guys have played a ton. Jake getting hurt sucks, but we don’t truly know how long he is out and it creates an opportunity for someone else. You never really know what someone is made of until they are thrown into the fire on a Saturday afternoon. Miller and Remsberg are both examples of that. We need the offensive line to be solid. ******** about them before we have even played a game serves no purpose.

 

[PSYclone22]

Can’t build a wall with one brick

I will find an enormous brick one day

 

[davegilbertson]

It'd just be nice to see them not get punked by UNI one of these years.

They won't get punked this year. I'm confident in the OL to avoid that

 

[singsing]

No credit? They had their moments but no push makes things difficult to sustain.

You nailed it..No push on short yardage plays. Predictable play calling, and Purdy with happy feet didn't help. New season so the line is one of the things I'm looking forward to seeing and hoping for some improvement there. I think this team is going to surprise people. Gonna test the "Culture" thing this fall.

 

[Rural]

I played running back in HS. My son played OL in HS. What I have learned from the experience is that everyone ******* about the offensive line and very few people have any understanding of how difficult it is to play offensive line. There are no plays off and you are expected to physically dominate the guy across from you every single play. It is a thankless job. Often the thought is that the team had success despite of you not because of you. Does our offense line need to improve? Yes. But let’s back away from the ledge a little. I for one am excited about the potential this group has. I think Miller can be a stud and the three interior guys have played a ton. Jake getting hurt sucks, but we don’t truly know how long he is out and it creates an opportunity for someone else. You never really know what someone is made of until they are thrown into the fire on a Saturday afternoon. Miller and Remsberg are both examples of that. We need the offensive line to be solid. ******** about them before we have even played a game serves no purpose.

That's football, right?

 

[JM4CY]

I will find an enormous brick one day

And then do what, Humpty Dumpty?

 

[swiacy]

Not sure where they were statistically, but how has ISU been in short yardage?

Reliable enough to line up to lean in and get it, no problem?

Is it safe to assume DM should have had more rushing yards in 2018 with better play up front? I think so.

If things have been so good why is there a thread on Oline concerns because of one injury, and why have multiple posters referred to it as a weakness?

2020 was about as dominant as I've seen ISU up front.

Neither you nor I have stated that the OL under CMC have been the best or worse in the B12 during his tenure. A good measure of the talent level is the NFL & Kelechi Osemeli under CPR made it & evidently Downing has a shot. For reference google Hawkeye OL’s in the NFL. The B12 offensive stats I listed for the past 3 years speak for themselves, the OL was the foundation for that IMO. On average were they able to lean in and get needed short yardage? Not with undersized Purdy at shotgun & they weren’t going to line him up behind center. I do recall a pretty successful short yardage power formation with Soehner, Kolar & Allen leading Hall between the right guard & right tackle which was consistently successful. The “Purdy was running for his life” comments that some harp about is interesting and blaming the OL 100% for that needs consideration. Fact-Purdy is short for a D1 QB & D1 OL’s are tall. Purdy is very comfortable throwing on the run & very accurate. Without confirmation from him, I think he preferred improvising & was not comfortable for very long in the pocket because he couldn’t see downfield. Yes, there were obviously times he was under pressure due to OL breakdowns but right or wrong IMO, he had a tendency to flush too soon. WR’s inability to create separation quickly played in to that also.

 

[clonedude]

STOP. Stars matter. They aren't the end all and there are exceptions.

Do stars matter in recruiting? The data says they do

Put any coach in front of a microphone and ask him if stars matter and he'll probably say one or all of the following: "We don't look at that stuff." "We trust

footballscoop.com

What Do Those Star Ratings Mean?

When discussing recruits, we often hear that star ratings mean very little. We analyze the question: what do those star ratings mean exactly?

lastwordonsports.com

"A four-star player is more than 450% more likely to be drafted than a three-star player."

Regardless, I think freshman o-lineman should stay on the sideline until their R-SO season.

Maro - FR
Neal - First year SO
Peterson/Saucer - R-SO/FR
Pauls - R-SO
Bonifas - FR

I'd like to give all of them 1 more year to learn and bulk. 4/6 are freshman or first year guys.



Even Simmons said there is a lot of youth and learning going on in camp

FYI...... Maro and Bonifas are R-FR, not true FR.

 

[CyLyte2]

Purdy wasn’t running for his life his whole career. That’s just dumb to say.

 

[CyGuy5]

The talk about the 2020 team reminds me that we got killed by oline penalties in the second half of the Big 12 title game

 

[clonedude]

The talk about the 2020 team reminds me that we got killed by oline penalties in the second half of the Big 12 title game

We're always good for several false start penalties inside the 10 yd line that kills drives and we get 3 instead of 7.

 

[madguy30]

The talk about the 2020 team reminds me that we got killed by oline penalties in the second half of the Big 12 title game

If there is ever a drinking bingo game for ISU football, false starts at crucial moments would be on there.

Someone in another thread said it was possibly Purdy's cadence being weird (which is odd to not get corrected) so we'll see if that improves this season.

 

[cywr89]

purdy was running for his life most of his career. a pure pocket passer would have led the league in terms of being sacked. purdy was a magician at times in avoiding sacks (but also bailed early at times). watch the game against ouast season. brutal.

montgomery specifically made up for a weak OL by being an absolute stud. led the nation in broken tackles. the bulk of which were behind the L.O.S.

zero of the OL blocking for dm or bh are in the nfl. they are in the nfl because they are studs, not because the OL was good. serviceable? sure. above average? no.

Actually go back and watch when Decker was in there against OU. Stayed in pocket most throws. Purdy was running from snap because of fear not always due to pressure. I was at the game and it seemed like day and night when Decker was in there and everyone around thought he earned the right to finish that game. The point is the QB can help line play by being where the line thinks they will be. That trust seemed broken last year…right or wrong.

 

[EvilBetty]

Actually go back and watch when Decker was in there against OU. Stayed in pocket most throws. Purdy was running from snap because of fear not always due to pressure. I was at the game and it seemed like day and night when Decker was in there and everyone around thought he earned the right to finish that game. The point is the QB can help line play by being where the line thinks they will be. That trust seemed broken last year…right or wrong.

yeah, purdy definitely bailed early a lot. He anticipated pressure nearly every play because typically there was pressure. Got into a bad habit of rolling out when he didn't need to.

 

[Statefan10]

If there is ever a drinking bingo game for ISU football, false starts at crucial moments would be on there.

Someone in another thread said it was possibly Purdy's cadence being weird (which is odd to not get corrected) so we'll see if that improves this season.

Yeah that was me that mentioned getting told Purdy’s cadence was weird at times. I need to ask specifics on that.