***Official 2019-2020 Transfer Thread***

[Cyforce]

It seems like we have multiple guys that can beat their defender off the dribble, and we now have guys who have shot overall well in their college career from beyond the arc. We don't need a great playmaker to be a good team next year. We had the best playmaker maybe to ever play ball at Iowa State last year and we flat out stunk.

I don't know how good of a PG Harris will be but the reason he cited for coming here was for a chance to go back to his natural position. I do know when he was recruited over at Memphis he was still talented enough to remain in their starting lineup despite being 5'9.

You are 100% correct we stunk last year even with Haliburton. That's why Prohm cleaned house. Of the 4 returning that played last season it's likely 2 could have diminished roles and Bolton won't be forced to take on such a high volume role.

Bottom line Harris was a quality recruit as a prep and has done nothing to diminish that. Sure I wish he was 6'2 but he's made 5'9 work.

 

[Cyforce]

I don't grade a transfer class on who they miss on that seems silly. Just like a HS Class I grade them on who they actually get. I give this group of newcomers transfers and recruits an A/B+ depending in if Harris and Hinson get waivers.

Fact is we lost 20 games last season. Those initial misses were to programs that were in better current shape than us. Pulling the transfer class he has is pretty phenomenal IMO.

 

[LLCoolCY]

I don't grade a transfer class on who they miss on that seems silly. Just like a HS Class I grade them on who they actually get. I give this group of newcomers transfers and recruits an A/B+ depending in if Harris and Hinson get waivers.

It is better to grade the off season on the upgrades made to the roster from last year to next.

I think most will agree the team is much more talented and fits the vision of a roster the staff wants from what we saw in March. I think it is a solid B right now, with an ability to bump up depending on if the waivers are granted.

 

[Messi]

Also, we recruited Tyler Harris heavily out of high school and he's quite talented.

I dont mean this as a slight at all, but im convinced fans have built up Harris to be a better player because its a name they've been familiar with for like 4 years and he was a good HS shooter

if Harris was some John Smith who we just learned about this summer when he committed, i think fans expectations would be more realistic

He was a role player for a middle of the pack AAC team. If he can give ISU 7-8 ppg I will be happy.

 

[Statefan10]

I dont mean this as a slight at all, but im convinced fans have built up Harris to be a better player because its a name they've been familiar with for like 4 years and he was a good HS shooter

if Harris was some John Smith who we just learned about this summer when he committed, i think fans expectations would be more realistic

He was a role player for a middle of the pack AAC team. If he can give ISU 7-8 ppg I will be happy.

Very true. I do think it should be mentioned that Memphis was loaded with talent too, so it's understandable why Tyler didn't stick out or outshine some of those guys. Memphis also most likely would've stayed in the top-10 had they not lost what could've ended up being the best player in the nation.

 

[heitclone]

I dont mean this as a slight at all, but im convinced fans have built up Harris to be a better player because its a name they've been familiar with for like 4 years and he was a good HS shooter

if Harris was some John Smith who we just learned about this summer when he committed, i think fans expectations would be more realistic

He was a role player for a middle of the pack AAC team. If he can give ISU 7-8 ppg I will be happy.

I agree but I also think JCL and Hinson are better, so for the 3rd best kid we got, I think Harris is pretty good. The other thing is, while Memphis is in the AAC, they are a bigger profile program with highly recruited players. It's not a stretch to say that of our starters last year, Tyrese may be the only one who would have started for Memphis, Rasir would be the only other one in the discussion.

 

[Clyde4cy]

All 3 of the incoming transfers should help improve the spacing issues we had last year on offense. It was a grind to follow but hard to argue with the results.

 

[Statefan10]

I agree but I also think JCL and Hinson are better, so for the 3rd best kid we got, I think Harris is pretty good. The other thing is, while Memphis is in the AAC, they are a bigger profile program with highly recruited players. It's not a stretch to say that of our starters last year, Tyrese may be the only one who would have started for Memphis, Rasir would be the only other one in the discussion.

This is the best thing about all of this I think. Every single player Prohm got can and has held their own in a good basketball conference. Harris has been the 3rd leading scorer for two years straight at Memphis. Last year, JCL was the 3rd leading scorer. Blake Hinson, also tied for the 3rd leading scorer.

These guys are all solid gets. We did not settle for one guy, like we have had to in the past. We didn't have to grab a guy or two to fill a roster spot. It's exciting.

 

[RustShack]

People are going to eat some crow on Harris.

But we see it all the time. Next year you’ll be acting like you knew Harris was a great get all along.

 

[Statefan10]

I've posted this highlight video before, but thought it needed a little bump since we were talking about Harris specifically. The kid is good. Does he have some things to work on? Absolutely. But you can't watch this video and not help but be excited he'll be playing in a cardinal and gold uniform for two years.

 

[RustShack]

Prohm pumps out good PG’s, if he targets Harris immediately(twice) and tells him he’s going to be our PG, I’ll trust him on that position.

 

[Messi]

People are going to eat some crow on Harris.

But we see it all the time. Next year you’ll be acting like you knew Harris was a great get all along.

im on record 7-8 ppg.

will be happy if its higher and im wrong. please remember to call me out

 

[kcbob79clone]

Recruiting grade this year overall is an B+.
We got 4 very good freshmen - class is rated highly nationally.
We got three good transfers with good P5 stats.
I would have loved to get Both and some others, but seriously - you can’t expect to get everyone you want.

Slight disagreement, 4 freshman A, 3 transfers B+

Overall grade A-

 

[Statefan10]

Prohm pumps out good PG’s, if he targets Harris immediately(twice) and tells him he’s going to be our PG, I’ll trust him on that position.

Lindell, Donovon Jackson, Tyrese, Bolton, Nixon, Tre Jackson, Grill. Those guys are commits that Prohm has gotten here to play the 1-2 position. (If I'm missing some, please mention)

Out of all of those, only one imo has been a true miss so far, which is Nixon. However, I don't think Prohm was meaning for Nixon to play the role he ended up playing for us last year. You could argue Grill was a miss, however it's too early to tell whether he's a miss talent wise, or if he's a miss because the feel wasn't right.

Overall consensus, I think Prohm's done pretty well at recruiting at that position.

 

[Statefan10]

Slight disagreement, 4 freshman A, 3 transfers B+

Overall grade A-

The fact some are arguing whether it's a B+ or an A- means Steve Prohm did a pretty damn good job this spring.

 

[cykadelic2]

I don't know how good of a PG Harris will be but the reason he cited for coming here was for a chance to go back to his natural position. I do know when he was recruited over at Memphis he was still talented enough to remain in their starting lineup despite being 5'9.

Bottom line Harris was a quality recruit as a prep and has done nothing to diminish that. Sure I wish he was 6'2 but he's made 5'9 work.

I dont mean this as a slight at all, but im convinced fans have built up Harris to be a better player because its a name they've been familiar with for like 4 years and he was a good HS shooter

if Harris was some John Smith who we just learned about this summer when he committed, i think fans expectations would be more realistic

He was a role player for a middle of the pack AAC team. If he can give ISU 7-8 ppg I will be happy.

Agree with Messi.

Cyforce, Harris didn't start at Memphis last season. And while he may have been a Top 100 HS recruit, his stock plummeted the past two seasons to the point of being unranked in ESPN's transfer rankings (Top 50 sit outs are ranked) and #48 in Stadium's sit out rankings with the following Scout Analysis: “He can score, but he’s small, inefficient and makes poor decisions.”

Hinson is #27 on ESPN's sit out rankings while JCL is #42 on ESPN's grad rankings.

Ultimately, actual results (i.e. NCAA tourney qualification) will provide the real grade of this transfer class but, as of now, with the facilitator roster gap still being a big question mark with Harris, JCL and Hinson in the fold, the overall grade as of now should be no more than a C (relative to other P5 programs) with NCAA tourney chances remaining extremely iffy.

 

[Statefan10]

Agree with Messi.

Cyforce, Harris didn't start at Memphis last season. And while he may have been a Top 100 HS recruit, his stock plummeted the past two seasons to the point of being unranked in ESPN's transfer rankings (Top 50 sit outs are ranked) and #48 in Stadium's sit out rankings with the following Scout Analysis: “He can score, but he’s small, inefficient and makes poor decisions.”

Hinson is #27 on ESPN's sit out rankings while JCL is #42 on ESPN's grad rankings.

Ultimately, actual results (i.e. NCAA tourney qualification) will provide the real grade of this transfer class but, as of now, with the facilitator roster gap still being a big question mark with Harris, JCL and Hinson in the fold, the overall grade as of now should be no more than a C (relative to other P5 programs) with NCAA tourney chances remaining extremely iffy.

He didn't start at Memphis last year due to Memphis literally bringing in the #1 recruiting class in the ENTIRE nation. However, even given that, he was the 3rd leading scorer on that team and shot almost 37% from beyond the arc. And again, we had a PG that might be the #1 PG taken overall in the NBA draft and we absolutely sucked.

 

[qwerty]

Cyforce, Harris ... to the point of being unranked in ESPN's transfer rankings (Top 50 sit outs are ranked) and #48 in Stadium's sit out rankings.”
Hinson is #27 on ESPN's sit out rankings while JCL is #42 on ESPN's grad rankings

There are 347 Div 1 basketball teams with 13 scholly players each. Hence, there are 4,511 D1 scholarship basketball players any given season. Assuming some quit basketball during their college career that means approx. 1200 high school players become D1 players per year. There are now approx 1000 transfers per season across D1 too, so equivalent to an entire high school class. If ISU can land three transfers rated in top 100, that sounds pretty good to me. If we got three high school kids in top 100, it would be considered exceptional.

 

[LLCoolCY]

The fact some are arguing whether it's a B+ or an A- means Steve Prohm did a pretty damn good job this spring.

Yeah, he definitely recovered from the early set backs in May to pull in a good class IMO. I think the staff learned to be patient and only take players they see as clear upgrades.

It clarifies the reason and benefit not taking a Buggs or Flowers prospect just to fill a guard schooly after missing on targets. I do think the staff was less patient in previous years with some of the transfers they took.

 

[cykadelic2]

There are 347 Div 1 basketball teams with 13 scholly players each. Hence, there are 4,511 D1 scholarship basketball players any given season. Assuming some quit basketball during their college career that means approx. 1200 high school players become D1 players per year. There are now approx 1000 transfers per season across D1 too, so equivalent to an entire high school class. If ISU can land three transfers rated in top 100, that sounds pretty good to me. If we got three high school kids in top 100, it would be considered exceptional.

You obviously missed my grade application reference to "relative to other P5 programs". The data above is meaningless relative to other P5 programs that ISU is primarily competing against for NCAA tourney berths.