I though to Mormons caffeine was just as evil as alcohol...
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I though to Mormons caffeine was just as evil as alcohol...
Not exactly. It's about avoiding addiction more than caffeine itself.
From this site Cola Drinks and Caffeine
I've lived in both & I'd take Tampa over Orlando every single time.
Not having a wife or kids plays a huge role in that but I def hated all but three things about Orlando (1.Wall St. bar district in downtown 2.Super Target near UCF was always crawling w/super hot college broads 3.Expressway to Cocoa Beach for surfing) when I lived there, Tampa on the other hand....still own my house there & can't wait to be back after the first of the year!
How would Mormons respond to the studies that show moderate consumption of red wine is healthy?
I've always found it odd when Christian religions say that alcohol consumption is prohibited. Christ never said that. In fact, moderate alcohol consumption was very common in his time, and he likely participated. Even the "body is a temple" thing is a stretch. Light to moderate alcohol consumption isn't harmful, and I see lots of people who don't drink for religious reasons who are significantly over weight, which of course isn't healthy either.
Didn't mean to derail this, I just find it strange.
I've always found it odd when Christian religions say that alcohol consumption is prohibited. Christ never said that. In fact, moderate alcohol consumption was very common in his time, and he likely participated. Even the "body is a temple" thing is a stretch. Light to moderate alcohol consumption isn't harmful, and I see lots of people who don't drink for religious reasons who are significantly over weight, which of course isn't healthy either.
Didn't mean to derail this, I just find it strange.
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It has nothing to do with health. They don't want alcohol to become your "God" since it is an addictive substance. Most churches have that stance.
So now the rumor is that OU, OSU, KU, and MU are talking to the Pac 12? Ah, what happened to UT, Texas Tech, and Baylor? Demographically, wouldn't the Pac 10/12 be a heck of a lot more interested in them, and throwing in a presently unknown 4th, than the Plains States Quartet, that together don't have as many TV sets as TX? (sorry if this has already been discussed. I didn't feel like going back through any more pages.)
If any of this be true, it looks like the biggest thing the Big XII/X/IX has to fear is fear itself.
If any of this be true, it looks like the biggest thing the Big XII/X/IX has to fear is fear itself.
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Not sure I like the idea of going to 16. If it happens it happens but I don't want to be the catalyst.
Not sure I like the idea of going to 16. If it happens it happens but I don't want to be the catalyst.
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I don't mean to derail, either, but there are very legitimate reasons to doubt the alcoholic content of much wine from that time.
But OK, back on track.
No offense, but it sounds like these attacks on whether or not wine had alcohol at the time of Christ is revisionist history to justify a current stance. I don't doubt that wine had lower alcohol than today, but it wasn't devoid of alcohol.
Non alcoholic wine is just grape juice. Humans have been creating alcohol since before the time of Christ.
At the risk of caving this, I think the addition of temperance to religion was something that has come along in the past few hundred years and has more to do with the release of inhibitions that comes with excessive alcohol consumption and can lead to behavior that is decried as sinful in most religions. I think the alcohol prohibitions are based more on that potential for abuse.
Before anyone gets too wrapped up in OU President David Boren's comments concerning OU's future, they may want to take a look at David Boren's background. David L. Boren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's obvious that this guy is totally about politics and he knows his way around the political circles. He plays with the big boys on a daily basis which includes Capitol Hill. He is the co-chairman of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board under Barack Obama.
In other words, he knows how to play poker (politics can be likened to a high stakes poker game) with the big boys. Right now he is throwing more chips on the pile, he is raising the ante. He's not showing his hand. The SEC and TAM would not go along with OU's attempt to stop TAM from leaving the Big 12 so he's challenging their hand.
We shall see how this game turns out and see if the SEC blinks.
See, I don't think so - the folks at the wedding that Jesus turned the water into wine for were drunk off their arse when he did it. The guy's response at the wedding (paraphrased) - "Everyone drinks the best wine at the beginning, but you have brought out the best wine now." It's still the same theory as today - you drink the really good beer early on when you are sober enough to enjoy it, and then you switch to the cheap beer later on when you're too far gone to enjoy the good stuff.
I'm obviously one of the Christians on this site - I've never denied it. But what has always gotten to be about Christians is they like to "pick and choose" what they like to take literally out of the Bible and then with the stuff that doesn't align with their world view they blow off with "well, it's not comparable to what it is today." A big example is alcohol. A lot of it has to do with the fences most Christians set up when it comes to drunkenness. Christians aren't supposed to get drunk, so drinking alcohol itself must be sinful. But that just doesn't jibe with Jesus turning the water into wine, so Christians just downplay this with "well, alcohol just wasn't as potent back then," completely forgetting the wedding attenders were completely drunk at the time.
Jesus didn't turn the water into grape juice, he turned it into wine.
(and yes, I get there's a social commentary and joke when Jesus used the water in the washing pots to make the wine, but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus made wine for people already two sheets to the wind)
