*** Official IOWA STATE vs DePaul Game(Day) Thread ***

[kentkel]

Gilbert was 8-15 from the floor last night with 7 assists and 1 turnover. If that's out of control we need more of it!

I think when DePaul went on their 13-0 (or something) scoring run, KG - along with a few other Cyclones - were "out of control." After that, he settled in very well and had a HUGE game. I really believe that Pav's energy/presence helped us overcome that atrocious section to the 1st half & was key to that huge run to start the 2nd half. Lipsey was consistently good throughout the game.

 

[Cyforce]

As good as Lipsey was, he even had a foolish fast break pass to BRE about 20 feet from the hoop.

I don't think that pass was intended for Bob. Looked like Tamin was passing to the guard on the other side and BRE inadvertently got in the way.

 

[madguy30]

If you can’t see the difference between playing Omaha up 20 to get him good minutes and the CEO in garbage time, not sure it’s worth engaging in any discussion.

No, it really isn't but it's because you perhaps really weren't watching how the game was going. It's not like that 20 point lead extended or was held for very long.

It got down to 14 really quickly with the players out there.

A 20 point lead is nothing in today's game and DePaul was still looking to score any way they could. This is also a team that gave up a 20 point lead (quickly) last week and perhaps had intentions of making sure they finished things.

If you think it's a 'we're up by a bunch, let's clear the bench' world that's your problem.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

What's going to happen is he transfers. Omaha is either going to blow up and go to the draft or fizzles out and transfers as well. Lose/Lose for us.

Then he didn't live up to his billing and stars, happens all the time in sports. The kid has talent, but I am wondering if they would have not been better off Red Shirting him this year to have him work on his offensive game, because right now, he is running on eggshells out there and we are playing 4 on 5 offensively with him in the game.

 

[inCyteful]

Nope this team won’t adjust, it won’t get any better, TJ sucks, CEO needs his chance.

It would appear the rot has set in.

 

[Cyforce]

Tough to find our identity. Lipsey, Pav, Gilbert, Milan, King might be our best offensive lineup, but that’s a pretty bad defensive and rebounding group (not saying they don’t try hard).

Interested to see how TJ manages the season, strategy might switch a lot game to game, and even mid game. I suppose that’s what coaches always do.

You don't need the best 5 scorers on the floor to be the most productive. All you need is 5 guys that know their roles.

 

[bizzle]

I think when DePaul went on their 13-0 (or something) scoring run, KG - along with a few other Cyclones - were "out of control." After that, he settled in very well and had a HUGE game. I really believe that Pav's energy/presence helped us overcome that atrocious section to the 1st half & was key to that huge run to start the 2nd half. Lipsey was consistently good throughout the game.

I think he, Lipsey, and Pav maybe had 3 turnovers in a row? And then Omaha had one and came out immediately. That stretch was so brutal.

Totally agreed that Pav's second half energy in particular really pushed us. I am a big fan of the kid and he feels like a key to us being at our best this year. The kind of guy who "comes off the bench" but maybe plays more minutes than a starter each night, depending on who is needed less.

 

[ClonerJams]

I think we found something last night. We won't be the defensive juggernaut we've been the past two years under TJ (really missing Gabes defense). With that said, our small lineup was really effective offensively last playing. Playing one of Rob and Tre at the 5 with Milan and 3 guards looks to be a good scoring lineup.

 

[madguy30]

Then he didn't live up to his billing and stars, happens all the time in sports. The kid has talent, but I am wondering if they would have not been better off Red Shirting him this year to have him work on his offensive game, because right now, he is running on eggshells out there and we are playing 4 on 5 offensively with him in the game.

Defensively too it seems. He seemed to be looking at the bench a lot last night for guidance. Not necessarily a bad thing (shows he wants to be coached) but it shows a lack of confidence and thinking too much.

From the armchair I'm not sure where his best fit is and hopefully the coaches can get that figured out. A rim running 4? Float around on D?

FWIW he comes off as someone who wants to do very well and give his best effort while out there.

 

[Cyforce]

Ii agree that Ward is missed. Defensive energy, rim protection, rebounding. He's not an offensive threat except for lobs. Biggest value is Tre will seldom be the 5 with Ward and RJones available.

You (or someone) mentioned is a previous post the players improve with this staff's coaching. I agree, which is why I don't agree with the "CJones shouldn't play" sentiment. Same with posts about Pav a couple weeks ago. He's improving. So will Curtis.

When Ward gets back i think we're going to see a team that will transition back and forth between big and small as needed.

 

[JP4CY]

I think we found something last night. We won't be the defensive juggernaut we've been the past two years under TJ (really missing Gabes defense). With that said, our small lineup was really effective offensively last playing. Playing one of Rob and Tre at the 5 with Milan and 3 guards looks to be a good scoring lineup.

Pav slashing kind of opened things up offensively IMO. He just has to take care of the ball with doing that.

 

[NoCreativity]

Then he didn't live up to his billing and stars, happens all the time in sports. The kid has talent, but I am wondering if they would have not been better off Red Shirting him this year to have him work on his offensive game, because right now, he is running on eggshells out there and we are playing 4 on 5 offensively with him in the game.

He should be playing 30 minutes a game the rest of the non- conference after Iowa but he won't. TJ will continue to stick him in there for 5 minutes at a time leading by 40.

 

[riceville98]

The ESPN box score says Pav was 0-2 on 3 pointers last night. I know he made a shot late in the game that sure looked like a 3. Anyone get a good view of it?

Iowa State 99-80 DePaul (Dec 1, 2023) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Iowa State Cyclones vs. DePaul Blue Demons NCAAM game from December 1, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

The shot you are thinking of was called a long 2. However, replays showed both feet behind the line. They never reviewed or gave us the extra point though

 

[clonedude]

Some thoughts...

1. Lipsey is a total beast. Assuming he's at ISU for 4 years, he's going to be rewriting a ton of all time records, right? Now that his outside shot has improved... he's nearly a perfect basketball player with the exception of FTs. He's does everything really well. By far our best, and most important player.

2. Omaha is WAY too talented to be playing like this. He's obviously struggling to get going and finding out what his role is, but TJ cannot just give up on him at this point. We still have 4 cakewalk games on the schedule before the Big 12 season starts... IMO TJ will not be doing his job if he doesn't explore every option possible to get this kid going. In these 'easy' 4 games coming up, play him more than a minute or two at a time, even if he screws up, and also run some stuff to get him some good looks at the basket. Whenever he's in right now, we never go to him or try to get him involved. Post him up or something and get him the ball. TJ MUST find a way to get him on track.... it would be a travesty to have one of the very top recruits in the entire country just wasting away on the bench most of the year, and then have him go to the G League next year or something and dominate.

3. Pav is a WAY better option than CuJo at this point. Pav should be getting a lot more minutes than him.

4. I'm worried about the Cy-Hawk game. Mostly because it's the Cy-Hawk game, and lately we just fold and choke in all the Cy-Hawk matchups. Wrestling is just the latest example. WBB game will be ugly. But beyond that, watching our defense this year... I feel like Iowa is going to get a ton of open 3 looks... and if they hit them... we're going to lose by double digits. Our 3 pt defense has a long ways to go. And when we have the ball, we have shown that we don't have any shooters really besides Milan. I just don't like Iowa as a matchup for us. I hope I'm dead wrong.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I really need to go back to NOT reading game threads, even after a win.

We could be 45 pts up on Kansas with 3 minutes left in the game, and some of you would be finding fault.

Frustration with a loss is one thing. Finding all kinds of fault with a win is just plain stupid.

 

[Dirt Boy 2]

We're going to need Curtis Jones before seasons end. That's all.

Dude has a well rounded game. I like what Jones brings defensively and Pav really seems to stir the drink when offense needs to get going.

 

[madguy30]

He should be playing 30 minutes a game the rest of the non- conference after Iowa but he won't. TJ will continue to stick him in there for 5 minutes at a time leading by 40.

How do you know this? He seemed to get much more time last night while it was close/ISU was down until he had perhaps the worst turnover of the first half.

It looks like the staff is still trying to figure out which lineups work the best. Should they stop doing that on the approach of conference season?

 

[NoCreativity]

How do you know this? He seemed to get much more time last night while it was close/ISU was down until he had perhaps the worst turnover of the first half.

It looks like the staff is still trying to figure out which lineups work the best. Should they stop doing that on the approach of conference season?

Because coaches always do this. Those glorified scrimmages we have between Iowa and Big 12 play should be about developing a strong bench and resting guys for the Big 12 grind, but more likely than not he'll still only get 10-15 minutes even in a 90-50 type game.

 

[madguy30]

Because coaches always do this. Those glorified scrimmages we have between Iowa and Big 12 play should be about developing a strong bench and resting guys for the Big 12 grind, but more likely than not he'll still only get 10-15 minutes even in a 90-50 type game.

So get the starters conditioned to playing 25 game minutes?

I'd guess this will get a 'they can get conditioning at practice during running drills' response; game play and practice are two very different things.

 

[NoCreativity]

So get the starters conditioned to playing 25 game minutes?

I'd guess this will get a 'they can get conditioning at practice during running drills' response; game play and practice are two very different things.

They are high level athletes, they are already conditioned. Rest will do them more good than playing Lipsey 35 minutes against Florida A&M. Omaha needs to be thrown into the fire the next 3 weeks otherwise I'm afraid it could be a lost season for him. We are already 25% done.