***Official ISU vs OSU Postgame thread***

[mikeiastat]

would you say we are a better offensive playing team or defensive ??

You are quite possibly the least educated basketball mind Ive encountered on this board. It almost doesn't justify a response. YOur comment is that bad, but just to explain and shut you up because I'm sick of your mindless drivel . . .

It doesn't matter how good of an offensive team you are. You still almost certainly shoot less than 50%. Then add in that you are on the road and aren't going to get any breaks from the refs. Bump that percentage down again because the road crowd gets to your shooters. (But just because you are dumb enough to say yeah but . . ) Lets say you are conservative and the road player maybe makes a last second shot 40% of the time.

Now contrast that with OSU taking the lead after an almost guaranteed 1 point and a likely 2 pt lead for OSU.

The percentages for a home player at the line are going to go up from an already, (lets very conservatively say) 65% The chance that OSU takes the lead is greater than 90% chance, more likely more than a 95% chance because finding the less than 65% ft shooter is not likely. as opposed to a less than 45% chance if you just play average defense. 999 out of 1000 times you don't see a team coach order his team to intentionally foul in that case.

This is the short and dirty, but you should get the idea. There is no school of thought that says you should foul in that case. Not Old shcool. Not new school, not special ed. Now quit while you are way way way behind.

 

[NoHawk4Life]

Normally I like to get in on the dumb, on either side. But, damn, after another lost opportunity, I am numb to it.
Refs, team, coaches, fans, it does not matter, just start winning these types of games. Please.

Cheers!!

 

[acgclone]

How about this. Almost every team in the country shoots better from the FT line then they do from the field closely guarded. You are giving the advantage to the other team who simply has to make one of two for the lead. Then you have to make a basket. Your odds of losing just went way up. You are assuming that they were going to score. That was very much in doubt. After all, they had a 5 second violation on that possession that just wasn't called but should have been because it was 7 seconds or more.

I'm really trying to be nice here, but there is a reason you never see someone intentionally foul in that situation in a tie game. This is nothing like the debate of to foul or not when up by 3.

I'm not advocating the fouling strategy but our D is god awful. Teams can almost score at will on us if they attack the basket

 

[NoHawk4Life]

You are quite possibly the least educated basketball mind Ive encountered on this board. It almost doesn't justify a response. YOur comment is that bad, but just to explain and shut you up because I'm sick of your mindless drivel . . .

It doesn't matter how good of an offensive team you are. You still almost certainly shoot less than 50%. Then add in that you are on the road and aren't going to get any breaks from the refs. Bump that percentage down again because the road crowd gets to your shooters. (But just because you are dumb enough to say yeah but . . ) Lets say you are conservative and the road player maybe makes a last second shot 40% of the time.

Now contrast that with OSU taking the lead after an almost guaranteed 1 point and a likely 2 pt lead for OSU.

The percentages for a home player at the line are going to go up from an already, (lets very conservatively say) 65% The chance that OSU takes the lead is greater than 90% chance, more likely more than a 95% chance because finding the less than 65% ft shooter is not likely. as opposed to a less than 45% chance if you just play average defense. 999 out of 1000 times you don't see a team coach order his team to intentionally foul in that case.

This is the short and dirty, but you should get the idea. There is no school of thought that says you should foul in that case. Not Old shcool. Not new school, not special ed. Now quit while you are way way way behind.

But yet you still had to think FOR AWHILE on that one.. and still replied.. nice work.. I do like your analysis though.. and not disputing any of your math..

 

[acgclone]

So, is this what you're suggesting w/ this "old school" & "new school" talk?

Old school - play D, forcing them to take a contested shot

New school - foul, giving them FREE throws to take the lead

Ya if anything, I would say that Fred needs to get a little bit more old school with his teams by improving our D. We will never get over the hump if we can't play better D because its very hard to get a stop against the home team. Pretty much sums up Johnny-ball too. We win at home because we can usually outscored the opponent but on the road we're usually going to lose because we can't get stops.

I would say 12-6 like last year and a high seed is about our ceiling until Fred recruits and teaches/emphasizes defense more.

 

[mikeiastat]

But yet you still had to think FOR AWHILE on that one.. and still replied.. nice work.. I do like your analysis though.. and not disputing any of your math..

Actually its a no brainer. I didn't have to think at all about the math and the right answer. WHat I struggled with and took my time with, was dumbing it down enough that someone capable of your stupidity could understand it. LOL. Please you give good cyclones a bad name. I'm pretty sure you are a troll or a moron.

 

[VeloClone]

Actually its a no brainer. I didn't have to think at all about the math and the right answer. WHat I struggled with and took my time with, was dumbing it down enough that someone capable of your stupidity could understand it. LOL. Please you give good cyclones a bad name. I'm pretty sure you are a troll or a moron.

I'm betting on both.

Does anyone want to talk about the actual game rather than some stupid theory of how giving a team free throws in a tie game is a good idea?

 

[GMackey32]

I'm betting on both.

Does anyone want to talk about the actual game rather than some stupid theory of how giving a team free throws in a tie game is a good idea?

I will. I thought they came out with the right energy and effort to win the game, but much like the KU game this year, they didn't finish down the stretch. Niang being the bench towards the end of the game due to foul trouble certainly didn't help, but seeing Babb turn it on tonight is encouraging.

 

[zwclones51]

Why no Booker thread after the game? Slackers

 

[CYUL8R]

Guys played a solid game last night, except for the one area that's been plaguing us all year - turnovers. 17 is way too many, even with 18 assists or whatever we had.

Clyburn running point against Smart wasn't...um...smart (sorry). One steal from that (maybe 2? I'll have to re-watch). At least they stopped that after one or 2 tries. Bubu did fine, Lucious did fine. Most of the turnovers were double-dribble, travel, etc types...which happens when you're playing fast and trying to outscore the other team.

There was a stretch in the second half where it was literally like 4 possessions every 30 seconds...up and down the floor just jacking up shots on both sides. Volleyball rebounding. Out of control defense leading to fouls. Just ugly.

Overall though - I still liked the effort our guys threw out there - just wish that we hadn't gotten taken out of the game at the end like we did.