***Official ISU vs Texas Meltdown Thread***

[CYDJ]

If you don’t think we get calls during game, you’re not being objective. We committed back to back PI against Texas in the end zone yesterday. Neither got called and they didn’t score.

So what you are saying is the officials aren't very good and inconsistent in their calling and could easily catch mistakes with replay? Thanks for proving my point.

My main point behind all of this is that in both football and basketball we, the viewers can see things better from 1000 miles away than a lot of these referees and umpires. There are many reasons for this, but I don't understand why we don't utilize more technology to provide a better officiated game. It is absolutely possible.

Heck, you could even have juries deciding plays as fast as officials do right now. And if you say that the whole thing would slow down because their are infractions on every play. Then you have just proven my point again. The officials are having to pick and choose what is and what isn't worth calling on every play which is the definition of inconsistency.

For instance. I could have looked at the quarterback hit yesterday and replayed it twice before I had to call roughing the passer while sitting in the comfort of my home (or a back room at the stadium) It is easier to see that that hit was bang, bang, not driven to the ground using excessive force or purposefully rolling over on (or whatever stupid excuse they would have given if questioned) than some dude seeing it out the corner of his eye and assuming it "must have been bad" because they are watching the field and didn't see the whole combination of events from a good vantage point.

I believe there are ways to make this better and to get rid of some of the biases that individuals have by crowdsourcing. Go ahead and beat me up on this. But, I think it is a viable answer to the problem.

 

[NoCreativity]

Anybody see the Chiefs game yesterday? Chiefs player stuck out and tripped Allen, ref was standing right over the play and still nothing. You'd have to be extremely bad at your job not to make that call.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist but some of the stuff I just saw over the weekend that benefited the bigger names makes me wonder.

 

[Darius Bieber]

Anybody see the Chiefs game yesterday? Chiefs player stuck out and tripped Allen, ref was standing right over the play and still nothing. You'd have to be extremely bad at your job not to make that call.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist but some of the stuff I just saw over the weekend that benefited the bigger names makes me wonder.

Same as when the refs picked up the flag for block in the back against the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football. Only going to get worse since sports betting is becoming more and more accessible.

 

[quasistellar]

I think there’s certainly some truth to both of arguments. We are passionately sensitive about Iowa State but I follow enough teams and fans from around the country on Twitter to know that we are not even close to the most sensitive nor the most toxic.

We obviously are all biased. No doubt about that. But it’s just true that we’ve been on the wrong side of critical calls across basketball and football for a while. So yes, we’re sensitive and yes it’s annoying but there are moments (like yesterday) where it’s warranted.

Is it still paranoia if everyone is actually out to get you?

 

[Jer]

Is it still paranoia if everyone is actually out to get you?

Really? Like to play victim much?

 

[quasistellar]

Really? Like to play victim much?

Really? Ignore the winky emoji much?

I hate when forum people try to get “easy wins” by denigrating other fans for venting on message boards. It’s dumb.

Yes, I know who you are and where this site came from, so you of all people should know better.

 

[Jer]

Really? Ignore the winky emoji much?

I hate when forum people try to get “easy wins” by denigrating other fans for venting on message boards. It’s dumb.

Yes, I know who you are and where this site came from, so you of all people should know better.

If you read all the threads, there is a huge contingent that truly believe there is an agenda against Iowa State, so I apologize that I made that assumption towards you. My bad - truly.

 

[joefrog]

If you think bad calls just "happen", especially when we play Texas schools, then they should even out over some period of time. Now, if you're going to try to tell us that they are currently even over time, that is your right, but you would be delusional. I challenge you to show ONE call that just "happened" to benefit ISU as a key to winning the game. The list on the other side is looooong, with video evidence. Hope you can find the long list the other way.....

 

[Statefan10]

If you read all the threads, there is a huge contingent that truly believe there is an agenda against Iowa State, so I apologize that I made that assumption towards you. My bad - truly.

The BIG 12 / NCAA doesn’t give a rats ass about screwing over Iowa State because we’re not relevant lol BUT we do have either horrible luck or are cursed when it comes to officiating.

 

[legi]

Dude, calm down. I simply stated my opinion like everybody else here. Some people like to think because I created the place that somehow I’m trying to use some moral ground. Or because I argue from a place of not rose colored glasses that I’m trying to be better than others. That’s just dumb and a way for people to continue their them vs the world view.

I’m simply saying that SOME people like to blame all close losses on the refs. Not everybody and yes others in other fanbases do that too, but when we’ve earned a reputation for it, it’s probably others beyond me that have that opinion.

How do you measure if “we’ve earned a reputation for it”? Like you’ve done a study on this or simply peruse twitter and concluded it must be so lol. Your opinion is an exaggeration of a handful of people on CyFan that like to *****.

 

[joefrog]

If you read all the threads, there is a huge contingent that truly believe there is an agenda against Iowa State, so I apologize that I made that assumption towards you. My bad - truly.

It is not an agenda against Iowa State. It is an agenda favoring the protected schools, especially in conference. There is a known pecking order, and everyone knows it.

OUT are protected in football, KU in basketball.

I had Jason Whitlock laughing because I was making so much fun of the refs during ISU-KU basketball at Hilton during McDermott. No fouls on KU 13 minutes into the game.

 

[Jer]

How do you measure if “we’ve earned a reputation for it”? Like you’ve done a study on this or simply peruse twitter and concluded it must be so lol. Your opinion is an exaggeration of a handful of people on CyFan that like to *****.

It's insinuated and/or eluded to on a lot of national podcasts or articles when something comes up regarding ISU and reffing. Just like Iowa being the Fake ID of college football. I honestly don't care if people complain about reffing, I just think it's pathetic to think there is legitimately an agenda from up high to **** on Iowa State. That's little brother thinking.

 

[AuH2O]

The BIG 12 / NCAA doesn’t give a rats ass about screwing over Iowa State because we’re not relevant lol BUT we do have either horrible luck or are cursed when it comes to officiating.

As people that watch any football with any level of objectivity can agree, officiating is just not good right now. Whether it's speed of the game or limited number of people wanting to do the job, it's just flat out bad, even at the NFL level.

Here's a major factor. Bigger name programs (and often home teams) get more calls. It's always been the case and always will be the case. The lesser name programs around the country always get screwed, similar to stars in the NBA or MLB getting calls. It's just the way it is and always will be. Watch a bunch of MSU games at the Breslin center. The officiating is so horrible and one-sided it's insane. You have to be 10 points better than MSU in that place to have chance.

But ISU has been relatively unique in football in that we are one of those lesser name schools that is going to be on the short end of the stick of officiating, but actually has an active fanbase that cares, goes to and watches games. So it gets magnified not only in our fanbase but across the conference and nation. Horrible calls in ISU Baylor on ESPNU or whatever usually only get lots of attention if a fanbase raises holy hell on social media.

 

[Clonedogg]

I don't know if there is a conspiracy against ISU, but I have a hard time believing that if everything was reversed in that game...Imagine, if Texas was behind driving for the go-ahead score and Ewers was hit in that scenario, with that amount of violence. Do I think there would of been a flag thrown benefitting Texas..? Absolutely I do.

 

[AuH2O]

I don't know if there is a conspiracy against ISU, but I have a hard time believing that if everything was reversed in that game...Imagine, if Texas was behind driving for the go-ahead score and Ewers was hit in that scenario, with that amount of violence. Do I think there would of been a flag thrown benefitting Texas..? Absolutely I do.

Yes, it likely would've been called targeting in that scenario. Home crowd and big name program are going to sway refs.

Granted, it didn't sway them to miss a super blatant pass interference by ISU right in front of them! On one hand I want to think it was a make up for the horrible roughing call, but I think this crew, like many, are just in over their heads and not good at their job.

 

[Cyforce]

Campbell's reaction to bad calls goes a long way explaining why the team has difficulty overcoming them. As a fan I react the same way but a coach needs to be a step ahead.

 

[IASTATE07]

It's insinuated and/or eluded to on a lot of national podcasts or articles when something comes up regarding ISU and reffing. Just like Iowa being the Fake ID of college football. I honestly don't care if people complain about reffing, I just think it's pathetic to think there is legitimately an agenda from up high to **** on Iowa State. That's little brother thinking.

Can you post a few of the podcasts that mention this?

 

[Statefan10]

Can you post a few of the podcasts that mention this?

So I can’t name podcasts but I do follow lots of sports personalities on social media who have commented on Iowa State getting screwed. Hell, even Saturday we had John Kurtz from KState who agreed we got hosed.

Nick Osen from 247 also tweeted out something along the lines of ISU not getting favorable calls since he’s taken the job, and he’s actually quite unbiased in covering us.

 

[NoCreativity]

Campbell's reaction to bad calls goes a long way explaining why the team has difficulty overcoming them. As a fan I react the same way but a coach needs to be a step ahead.

His meltdowns are warranted, I'm actually shocked he hasn't taken it even further and done something to get ejected or suspended yet.

You see him getting more and more animated because the level of incompetence keeps increasing every year and it's affecting him in the win-loss column.

 

[cycloner29]

I like CMC's emotion, way better than the gum-chewing family that coaches Iowa.