Official Post-Game Meltdown - You Post Here
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I assume this an open-purge thread, so I'll post again.
Going into the season, I thought ISU might win fewer games than 2013-14, possibly a little lower seeded, but could be more dangerous at the end of the season... someone can probably find the preseason prediction thread ..
I thought we might lose a few head-scratchers along the way, but also quite a few blowout wins vs. inferior competition. The latter example rarely occurred.
ISU showed major moxie winning those comeback games, so I don't want to discount it. They could have folded in about five or six games, but didn't. Won at Oklahoma State and at Texas in the same week (and swept both, which had never happened).
But this team should have crushed UAB.
Going into the season, I thought ISU might win fewer games than 2013-14, possibly a little lower seeded, but could be more dangerous at the end of the season... someone can probably find the preseason prediction thread ..
I thought we might lose a few head-scratchers along the way, but also quite a few blowout wins vs. inferior competition. The latter example rarely occurred.
ISU showed major moxie winning those comeback games, so I don't want to discount it. They could have folded in about five or six games, but didn't. Won at Oklahoma State and at Texas in the same week (and swept both, which had never happened).
But this team should have crushed UAB.
There's always a handful of luck offensive rebounds, you deal with them, but there were many that were under the basket and were a direct result of lack of boxing out, or lack of effort. Putback dunks and offensive rebounds followed by and 1's are not luck.
People seem to forget that this is Hoiberg's first coaching gig. Regardless of "how he's played in the NBA" or "been around elite coaches", he is going to have rookie mistakes and growing pains.
I have 100% faith Hoiberg will evaluate the season and make changes for the future. Everything will be just fine.
I have 100% faith Hoiberg will evaluate the season and make changes for the future. Everything will be just fine.
Hoiberg is not a rookie coach. He could be here 20 years and we'd still call him a rookie coach because it's his first coaching job?
That said, I don't see how you can blame the loss on Fred. Sure, most of us believe Fred doesn't use timeouts well. But that's only because most of us know more about using timeouts than Fred will ever know. So our impatience with Fred's use if timeouts is understandable.
Talk about a meltdown, just look to Baylor losing a ten point lead with 1:39 left in the game. Geez. I don't think Iowa State basketball will go away. I expect them to come back stronger than ever. Just hope the Big XII rebounds today. A chance for 4 wins today. Let's go BIG XII!
He's a "rookie" coach because he's only been doing coaching (assistant or head) for five years. Go down the list of NCAA tourney head coaches...how many have less total coaching experience? What is the average total coaching experience?
One thing I see Hoiberg struggling with now is a basic issue that many young "managers" struggle with, and that is motivating a consistently high performance level. Some never figure it out. The Hoiberg I remember as player was someone who came ready to play and worked hard on both offense and defense whenever he was in the game. He couldn't have survived in the NBA otherwise. McKay seems like that kind of player. But some others not so much. The challenge of the coach is relating to, motivating, and molding players who don't have that type of attitude into ones that do.
Some gifted folks can figure this out right away, but most others have to learn from (years of) experience. That said, Hoiberg is going into his sixth year, and it is somewhat concerning to hear players say multiple times in a season that they don't take opponents seriously, or that they are playing in an NCAA tourney game with lackadaisical attitude.
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I'm trying to keep in mind that this is a meltdown thread and just let it be that. However, the judgments being made about our players for stupid stuff like whether they went through the little league hand shake line or not, players using cliches in interviews because they don't know what else to say, players leaving towels on their heads, and Hoiberg being a rookie coach.
Give me a break. This team cares more than any of us. They played harder than most of us give them credit for. They worked so hard to improve their games. And Hoiberg is a genius.
I'll stand and cheer for the season these guys gave us.
Give me a break. This team cares more than any of us. They played harder than most of us give them credit for. They worked so hard to improve their games. And Hoiberg is a genius.
I'll stand and cheer for the season these guys gave us.
Oh for sure, but as you said, this is the meltdown frustration thread. There are appreciation threads, and good season threads. I think everyone knows they care and are more upset than we are. Doesn't mean we aren't disappointed as well. Get out all the anger and hurt and delete this thing and move on.
I can really relate to many of the feelings and emotions I read on this thread. But I have to be objective, because if I allow my heart to take over, I probably won't get much done at work today. First, I would like to respond to those who are criticizing CFH's decisions yesterday - while I respect your right to criticize, it occurs to me that he is the person most responsible for the ISU MBB program's standing today. To be ranked all season, to win back-to-back Big 12 tournaments, to show the country our fan base is second to none, to be media darlings and "sexy" bracket picks to go to the Final Four, well.....if this isn't good enough for you, I would respectfully suggest your ambitions are a bit unreasonable.
I'm betting that CFH's team will be a pre-season top 10, and that CFH also learned some lessons yesterday. And even though I am heartsick with the results, I have to say this team really won me over during the past few weeks. I think they genuinely love and respect each other (even BDJ), and I will guarantee you no one is taking this loss any harder than any of those fine young men.
My team - win or lose - and the winning far outstripped the losing this year. I have some awesome games on DVD that I can dig out and watch in the off-season, so I can remember just how glorious the good times were.
GO CYCLONES!!!!!!!!
I'm betting that CFH's team will be a pre-season top 10, and that CFH also learned some lessons yesterday. And even though I am heartsick with the results, I have to say this team really won me over during the past few weeks. I think they genuinely love and respect each other (even BDJ), and I will guarantee you no one is taking this loss any harder than any of those fine young men.
My team - win or lose - and the winning far outstripped the losing this year. I have some awesome games on DVD that I can dig out and watch in the off-season, so I can remember just how glorious the good times were.
GO CYCLONES!!!!!!!!
I know it irks some to throw out the "rookie" card but Fred is a rookie. How many different team personalties has he had already in his short 5 years. What makes me content is he's a quick learner.
I can't think of one coach in the tourney (or last 3) that had less coaching experience (asst, head or grad asst) than Fred. It's Holberg by a mile being a rookie but making the most noise already. He's got a bright future.
I can't think of one coach in the tourney (or last 3) that had less coaching experience (asst, head or grad asst) than Fred. It's Holberg by a mile being a rookie but making the most noise already. He's got a bright future.
< 24 hrs, so I'm still in meltdown. I'd rather have a long, deep Dance run than a B12 tourney troph.
I'm feeling the lowest I've ever felt at any time and any sport as a Cyclone fan. Amazing that it's over a team that compiled 25 wins.
Welcome to life on the top of college basketball. Hope you like roller coasters. EVERY elite team has had some unexpected early exits from the tourney. No program is immune to players sometimes feathering back a little on the gas pedal because they think they will be fine at less than full tilt. even the greatest coaches run into match ups where they just flat out cannot get a play working with success. Games happen where it seems like the rebound always falls where you aren't. Opponents have games where they seem to get the loose balls. It happens. Some ISU fans relished the bashing of Kansas for early tourney flame outs but hopefully this just shows how quickly a very good season can end. No one in their right mind would argue that ISU was overrated or not an excellent team. They absolutely were. They just had a bad game at the worst possible time. This won't be the last one over the long course of time, either. Just a bump in the road. Hoiberg seems to have them poised to have continual shots at more great seasons ahead so time to turn the page on this year and look forward to the next one. A little more jaded, a little thicker callous to the heckling of outsiders, but there will always be a next season and next season also looks very promising for ISU.
To me it's just that this one is different from Fred's first tourney team. That year making the tourney was just the icing on the cake, any win was just great after a certain point. Making the tourney was all it took to make his 2nd year a success.
Fast forward to this year. KU is finally primed to be de-throned and ISU, OU and Tejas are all licking their chops. We have the title served up to us and we choke. Then we follow in the Big 12 tourney proving we probably should have won the regular season too. Then we move on to the NCAA tourney with a sweet 3 seed and bracket finally laying out in our favor (no overall 1 seed or powerhouse awaiting) and we choke to UAB in the first round.
I don't see this season being memorable for too many good reasons. Here's hoping we erase the memory next year.
Fast forward to this year. KU is finally primed to be de-throned and ISU, OU and Tejas are all licking their chops. We have the title served up to us and we choke. Then we follow in the Big 12 tourney proving we probably should have won the regular season too. Then we move on to the NCAA tourney with a sweet 3 seed and bracket finally laying out in our favor (no overall 1 seed or powerhouse awaiting) and we choke to UAB in the first round.
I don't see this season being memorable for too many good reasons. Here's hoping we erase the memory next year.
Melt down thread would be awfully boring if all it had was people posting I trust fred.
Cfh knows more about basketball than I ever will, but I will certainly use a meltdown thread to proclaim my confusion on a guy shooting 60 percent from 3 in a game not getting more plays ran for him. Matt was 3/5 from downtown, the rest of the team was 3/18 with naz going 2/9 and everyone else 1/9.
In ten years, you'll all be grizzled veterans of the roller coaster ride and you won't want to throw up after an early exit. It gets easier. Less magical but less nauseating. The future is bright for Iowa State; this game does not change that. Hoiberg has been great at addressing his roster strengths and weaknesses in the offseason and will continue to do so. He has continually morphed his style and game plans to address things he thought the team needed to do better to survive and advance and will continue to do so.
