Official "post"-Game Thread - Iowa @ ISU
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Iowa learned a lot about themselves today, but anyone who knows football saw that this was not a dominating performance by Iowa in any sense of the word, ISU killed themselves with mistakes and penalties. Unfortunately, the bipolar Hawk fans (a group I'm not a part of) who headed for the roof when you guys went up 3-0 will be claiming the B10 title tomorrow morning.
I do think you guys are on the way up. This might not be your year but this rivalry is going to continue to be competitive, and if you stick with Rhoads I will not be surprised to see ISU in a B12 championship game sooner than later.
Great game, great rivalry, now let's go back to being friends for the next 51 weeks.
Iowa learned a lot about themselves today, but anyone who knows football saw that this was not a dominating performance by Iowa in any sense of the word, ISU killed themselves with mistakes and penalties. Unfortunately, the bipolar Hawk fans (a group I'm not a part of) who headed for the roof when you guys went up 3-0 will be claiming the B10 title tomorrow morning.
I do think you guys are on the way up. This might not be your year but this rivalry is going to continue to be competitive, and if you stick with Rhoads I will not be surprised to see ISU in a B12 championship game sooner than later.
Great game, great rivalry, now let's go back to being friends for the next 51 weeks.
I agree. Fundamentals need to be the #1 focus of the coaching staff. These are good kids and they want to learn but either they are not absorbing what they are being taught, or the coaching staff is not teaching.
Forget about wins right now and for the entire year. In fact forget about the score for the entire season. Try to get all positions to know their footwork, correct coverage, body position, how to read each side of the ball, etc. etc. And if a player doesn't react to what is being taught, sit him down for a series and give another guy a chance.
This is what JP has backed this program into so there really is no other choice.
Forget about wins right now and for the entire year. In fact forget about the score for the entire season. Try to get all positions to know their footwork, correct coverage, body position, how to read each side of the ball, etc. etc. And if a player doesn't react to what is being taught, sit him down for a series and give another guy a chance.
This is what JP has backed this program into so there really is no other choice.
Why would you be gloating? Are you are on the team? I assume you're a spectator, just like the rest of us.
Oh so maybe we should have paid him 20k a year. Do you take yourself seriously? I hope not.
No. Let's just call it what it really is: no talent. There is just plain and simple not enough talent on either line to compete. The talent everywhere else is so marginal (Sims and Stephens are the only above average talent on the team).
I agree with some of the things you are saying.
However, if after watching that game, you still believe ISU is better than Iowa.... you are on something way stronger than koolaid!
What game were you watching? Our OL averages 330 and when we chose to run the ball we were successful. The trickery crap is what cost us the game. Passing on third and short was probably the most irritating thing other than AA's poor decision making.
1) We were capable of winning this game today. I agree the onside kick attempt was premature, but ballsy. I like the idea, but I would have felt more comfortable with it coming after a touchdown. At least if the risk didn't work, then at worst we would have been tied. It's a lot like the 4th and 1 call that Jim Tressel gambled on last week.
2) In training Austin to pass first, run second (similar to OSU's Terrell Pryor), he tends to miss opportunities to run. I think he capitalized on those opportunities more today than NDST, however he has a HUGE problem of starring down his receivers. As many have commented, he continues to try and do too much. That tells me he needs to mature and trust his teammates.
3) When the defense is running a 4-5-2 most of the game, I think we should have run the ball earlier and more often.
4) I was very happy to see our line play improve today. Did you notice how Iowa didn't have the confidence in their typical strategy of run to set up the pass? They gained more yards after the game was well out of reach and our defense was tired.
5) The refs didn't beat us today. We made huge mistakes and Iowa played smart and capitalized. Iowa didn't have to take any risks today. They were very well coached today.
6) I was the most disappointed with our lack of discipline. After a stellar performance in the penalty department last week, this was a team that played out of control at times.
7) The early penalties and turnovers took us out of this game.
8) Reynolds needs to finish blocks, stop trying to be Mr. Flash and just play football.
9) For those who can't get past the realities of our football program and are looking for any reason to fire a coach or AD. Grow up. This is the second game for a team that hasn't had a lot of stability. No matter what organizations you look at, those that succeed long term have leadership that stays together for a period of time. U of Iowa has that stability, as well as other programs you see (football: Ohio State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma; basketball: UNC, Duke, U Conn, etc.) Assuming we can have patience and invest in Paul Rhoads like we did for McCarney, I think we will see a lot of success. Not only over Iowa, but in conference and bowl wins.
2) In training Austin to pass first, run second (similar to OSU's Terrell Pryor), he tends to miss opportunities to run. I think he capitalized on those opportunities more today than NDST, however he has a HUGE problem of starring down his receivers. As many have commented, he continues to try and do too much. That tells me he needs to mature and trust his teammates.
3) When the defense is running a 4-5-2 most of the game, I think we should have run the ball earlier and more often.
4) I was very happy to see our line play improve today. Did you notice how Iowa didn't have the confidence in their typical strategy of run to set up the pass? They gained more yards after the game was well out of reach and our defense was tired.
5) The refs didn't beat us today. We made huge mistakes and Iowa played smart and capitalized. Iowa didn't have to take any risks today. They were very well coached today.
6) I was the most disappointed with our lack of discipline. After a stellar performance in the penalty department last week, this was a team that played out of control at times.
7) The early penalties and turnovers took us out of this game.
8) Reynolds needs to finish blocks, stop trying to be Mr. Flash and just play football.
9) For those who can't get past the realities of our football program and are looking for any reason to fire a coach or AD. Grow up. This is the second game for a team that hasn't had a lot of stability. No matter what organizations you look at, those that succeed long term have leadership that stays together for a period of time. U of Iowa has that stability, as well as other programs you see (football: Ohio State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma; basketball: UNC, Duke, U Conn, etc.) Assuming we can have patience and invest in Paul Rhoads like we did for McCarney, I think we will see a lot of success. Not only over Iowa, but in conference and bowl wins.
I personally don't think that they should pay the coaches more than they pay professors at government schools. Forget about how much money the program makes. If all teams are subject to the same rules the university will do just as well. However, for two million dollars a year I think that its not crazy to expect some better decisions.
Agree. Reynolds does not like contact; he turns his back or tries to dance and juke when about to be tackled, instead of just driving ahead to get the extra yard.
We need hard-nosed players, even at receiver.
I whole heartedly agree. Do not let this one game derail the entire season. And it could be worse, we could be Colorado :wink:
If that were the case, you might as well enforce that actors shouldnt make more than teachers.
Your issue is a social issue. Rhoads and staff has been in 2 games and are 1-1. Lets not get crazy.
Yeah, we are building---the question is who took us down a couple of notches so we are now on the bottom and looking up?? I don't blame Chizik, I think he found a different situation than what was advertised by J.P. The bottom line is Chizik was J.P.'s man, and ultimately the departure of Chizik is the responsibility of J.P. (I thought the coach who has not had a chance to prove himself was a reference to the wresting coach) (I assume we don't want to drag the departure of Cael into this thread)
I agree with you, however you will never see a school try to outbid for a chemistry professor. You see where the administrations priorities really are. Professors don't bring in money, athletics do.
Kent St. is losing to Boston College 34-0 right now.
Army lost to Duke earlier (who got beat by D1-AA Richmond last week)
CU lost to Toledo yesterday
Plus, we'll get another look at KSU tonight when they play Louisiana-Lafayette. There is still a ton of opportunity for this year. Today just wasn't our day. We'll learn from it and move forward.
Army lost to Duke earlier (who got beat by D1-AA Richmond last week)
CU lost to Toledo yesterday
Plus, we'll get another look at KSU tonight when they play Louisiana-Lafayette. There is still a ton of opportunity for this year. Today just wasn't our day. We'll learn from it and move forward.
Sugar coat this all ya want, but this was a horrible performance today, mostly by our offense. I have no issues with out defense today other than the stupid penalty by Banks. Otherwise they did a good enough job for us to win.
Offensively, I don't know where to start. Well, the line I think played well for the most part. We had little problems running the ball and frankly, we should have done more of it in the first half instead of throwing the ball around like idiots. Ram it at 'em until they put 8 men in the box then pass it so we're not dealing with double coverage.
AA deserves a lot of heat today, period. He played bad and really ruined our chances at a win today. Everyone knows that including him. I don't think he gets benched in favor of Tiller next week. I do think he better get right and quick, otherwise I'll be ready to see what the next guy can do.
The receivers impressed me about as much as Arnaud. Very little separation most of the time. I keep hearing how great this group is, how tough it will be to match up with them, etc. I have not seen it yet. At all. So what gives? I'm sick of the hype at this position, give me some damn results.
Today was very frustrating, one of the more frustrating losses in quite some time. Not at all because it's Iowa, I think I've made it clear this is just another big game in the course of the season. But because we had many opportunities today to seize the game early and just ****** them away. Turnovers and stupid penalties were plentiful.
We got smoked by an average Big 10 team. Iowa is not a poor team but they are not great either. But we made them look stellar.
It's gonna be a long season, as expected. There is not a game on our schedule we can't easily lose. I think we could win about any with exception to Oklahoma State and to an extent Nebraska/Mizzu. But there isn't a team I feel confident against. I know some think CU and KSU are Ws, but continue living in the homer world. Because the facts and play on the field thus far has not shown a damn thing that should lead anyone to believe we can be confident against a Big 12 foe, or even any team for that matter.
Offensively, I don't know where to start. Well, the line I think played well for the most part. We had little problems running the ball and frankly, we should have done more of it in the first half instead of throwing the ball around like idiots. Ram it at 'em until they put 8 men in the box then pass it so we're not dealing with double coverage.
AA deserves a lot of heat today, period. He played bad and really ruined our chances at a win today. Everyone knows that including him. I don't think he gets benched in favor of Tiller next week. I do think he better get right and quick, otherwise I'll be ready to see what the next guy can do.
The receivers impressed me about as much as Arnaud. Very little separation most of the time. I keep hearing how great this group is, how tough it will be to match up with them, etc. I have not seen it yet. At all. So what gives? I'm sick of the hype at this position, give me some damn results.
Today was very frustrating, one of the more frustrating losses in quite some time. Not at all because it's Iowa, I think I've made it clear this is just another big game in the course of the season. But because we had many opportunities today to seize the game early and just ****** them away. Turnovers and stupid penalties were plentiful.
We got smoked by an average Big 10 team. Iowa is not a poor team but they are not great either. But we made them look stellar.
It's gonna be a long season, as expected. There is not a game on our schedule we can't easily lose. I think we could win about any with exception to Oklahoma State and to an extent Nebraska/Mizzu. But there isn't a team I feel confident against. I know some think CU and KSU are Ws, but continue living in the homer world. Because the facts and play on the field thus far has not shown a damn thing that should lead anyone to believe we can be confident against a Big 12 foe, or even any team for that matter.
Also, no doubt it takes time. It seems like a lot of folks on here think that if we lose all of our games we'll secure the first round draft choice. Let's make the most of the talent we have. The coaches clearly didn't do that today. I think that they tried to make the talent adapt to their coaching. Throwing the ball into tripple coverage doesn't work for this team. We learned that lesson 100 times today. I think that Rhodes will adjust and win 6 this year. Forget rebuilding. We have the tools, we just need to know how to use them.
