***Official WBB Iowa State vs. Kansas State Gameday Thread***
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Tied for 4th and just lost to the team we tied with. If the Big 12 only takes 4, ISU wont be there. However, I dont follow Womens bracktology at all, if the Big 12 is a lock for 5 we should be OK.
This team is pretty much guaranteed to lose if they shoot that poorly from outside.
Probably the only way they get a bid. Hard to win when your all conference player has a bad day.
Hosting isn't supposed to have an impact on getting into the NCAAs. That doesn't mean it's not in the back of their minds, however, especially with the powerhouse attendance numbers Iowa State gets.
Now that Jerry Palm's quit (who was the better of the two), the only major women's bracketologist I know of is Charlie Creme. He has ISU in as the third-to-last team in the tournament. Presumably they'll drop somewhat after today, probably out. Comparing ISU's wins/losses to the other bubble teams, I think he's underranking Iowa State a bit, but I still wouldn't put ISU's chances of getting in better than about 70%.
I love this team, but I think they are in trouble.
Pop has not been effective or had a good game since she got her black eye. Either something is off there, or the other teams have figured out a way to stop her, and thus stop Iowa State.
Pop has not been effective or had a good game since she got her black eye. Either something is off there, or the other teams have figured out a way to stop her, and thus stop Iowa State.
Does our history and what BF has done help us as a potential bubble team getting in? Plus, I know we started slow, but finished stronger, that should help, right?
On the bright side, we won't have to worry about being a 9 seed and seeing a top seed at Hilton. Should we get in. Maybe even locked an 11, and will play to face a 3.
The last four teams in, according to Creme. All these teams are done for the season.
Temple: RPI 48; 0-5 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 6-0 v. 51-100; bad loss @209
Iowa State: RPI 44 (before today); 3-7 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Michigan State: RPI 64; 2-3 v. top 25; 2-4 v. 26-50; 1-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 111, @122, v202
Texas: RPI 46 (before yesterday); 2-7 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 4-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Even with the loss, I think we're the strongest of these four teams, and unless some mid-majors lose out or some other bubble teams make strong tournament runs (either of which could reasonably happen), I think we're probably on the right side of the bubble.
Temple: RPI 48; 0-5 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 6-0 v. 51-100; bad loss @209
Iowa State: RPI 44 (before today); 3-7 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Michigan State: RPI 64; 2-3 v. top 25; 2-4 v. 26-50; 1-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 111, @122, v202
Texas: RPI 46 (before yesterday); 2-7 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 4-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Even with the loss, I think we're the strongest of these four teams, and unless some mid-majors lose out or some other bubble teams make strong tournament runs (either of which could reasonably happen), I think we're probably on the right side of the bubble.
Michigan St should not be in the tourney. ISU and KSU are in. The question is TX or Tech or KS. Will one of them make it.
Temple is a big ? mark for me as is Florida.
What probably hurts us is we dont have a marquee win or a couple big non con wins that we have had in the past. However we dont have the bad losses that some of the other bubble teams do.
Creme is not putting much cred in RPI or sagarin ratings this year. He thinks that the Big 12 rpi is inflated.
ISU as a 10 seed is pretty accurate but KSU deserves a higher seed due to their non con and OU as a 8 is an insult. AM COULD BE A 3 or 4. Personally I dont see TX in but Creme does. I would slot in KU before TX.
Temple is a big ? mark for me as is Florida.
What probably hurts us is we dont have a marquee win or a couple big non con wins that we have had in the past. However we dont have the bad losses that some of the other bubble teams do.
Creme is not putting much cred in RPI or sagarin ratings this year. He thinks that the Big 12 rpi is inflated.
ISU as a 10 seed is pretty accurate but KSU deserves a higher seed due to their non con and OU as a 8 is an insult. AM COULD BE A 3 or 4. Personally I dont see TX in but Creme does. I would slot in KU before TX.
The first eight teams out, according to Creme.
North Carolina: RPI 87; 1-9 v. top 25; 0-1 v. 26-50; 4-0 v. 51-100; bad loss 245; done for season
USC: RPI 30; 1-5 v. top 25; 2-1 v. 26-50; 6-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses; playing 125 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
Michigan: RPI 45; 0-4 v. top 25; 4-3 v. 26-50; 1-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @167; done for season
James Madison: RPI 34; 0-1 v. top 25; 1-1 v. 26-50; 7-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @188; playing tomorrow (CAA tourney)
Oklahoma State: RPI 52 (before yesterday); 2-6 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-1 v. 51-100; bad losses v116, v117; done for season
Kansas: RPI 47; 1-6 v. top 25; 3-2 v. 26-50; 5-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 116, @178; playing 8 this evening (Big 12 tourney)
Wake Forest: RPI 83; 1-7 v. top 25; 0-2 v. 26-50; 3-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses; done for season
Arizona State: RPI 66; 0-3 v. top 25; 0-3 v. 26-50; 4-2 v. 51-100; bad loss @108; playing 166 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
There's no way Iowa State doesn't get in before North Carolina, Oklahoma State, or Wake Forest. I would say the same about Michigan except we lost head-to-head against them; still, our complete folio is stronger than theirs.
I don't think James Madison will get in before us -- we just want Delaware to win the CAA tournament to make it a one-bid league.
USC might look slightly weaker than us now (despite the gaudy RPI), but a good run in the Pac-12 tourney could put them in front of us. If they beat California to get to the finals, I think they're probably ahead of Iowa State.
Arizona State would need a win over Stanford on Friday to have a chance to make it in. Not happening.
Kansas isn't going to beat A&M this evening. But if they do, I'm worried.
North Carolina: RPI 87; 1-9 v. top 25; 0-1 v. 26-50; 4-0 v. 51-100; bad loss 245; done for season
USC: RPI 30; 1-5 v. top 25; 2-1 v. 26-50; 6-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses; playing 125 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
Michigan: RPI 45; 0-4 v. top 25; 4-3 v. 26-50; 1-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @167; done for season
James Madison: RPI 34; 0-1 v. top 25; 1-1 v. 26-50; 7-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @188; playing tomorrow (CAA tourney)
Oklahoma State: RPI 52 (before yesterday); 2-6 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-1 v. 51-100; bad losses v116, v117; done for season
Kansas: RPI 47; 1-6 v. top 25; 3-2 v. 26-50; 5-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 116, @178; playing 8 this evening (Big 12 tourney)
Wake Forest: RPI 83; 1-7 v. top 25; 0-2 v. 26-50; 3-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses; done for season
Arizona State: RPI 66; 0-3 v. top 25; 0-3 v. 26-50; 4-2 v. 51-100; bad loss @108; playing 166 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
There's no way Iowa State doesn't get in before North Carolina, Oklahoma State, or Wake Forest. I would say the same about Michigan except we lost head-to-head against them; still, our complete folio is stronger than theirs.
I don't think James Madison will get in before us -- we just want Delaware to win the CAA tournament to make it a one-bid league.
USC might look slightly weaker than us now (despite the gaudy RPI), but a good run in the Pac-12 tourney could put them in front of us. If they beat California to get to the finals, I think they're probably ahead of Iowa State.
Arizona State would need a win over Stanford on Friday to have a chance to make it in. Not happening.
Kansas isn't going to beat A&M this evening. But if they do, I'm worried.
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I don't think the threes did us in and our guards played well on offense; rather, the point total for our inside players was 19, and Childs alone scored well over that number.
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