OT: Making A Murderer on Netflix
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This is why I don't believe some low level bumpkin could scrub a crime scene clean but a PD could easily frame up a bumpkin:
http://whotv.com/2017/02/10/former-police-chief-admits-to-stealing-guns-cars-from-department/
http://whotv.com/2017/02/10/former-police-chief-admits-to-stealing-guns-cars-from-department/
Bump. Almost done with season 2.
Avery's current lawyer has done a heck of a job dismantling the prosecution's evidence and story.
Avery's current lawyer has done a heck of a job dismantling the prosecution's evidence and story.
Second season is really great from that aspect and interesting seeing the federal appeals process play out.
Also, it's kinda funny because after season 1, I and most people probably thought that Avery's defense attorneys Dean Strang and Jerry Buting did about as much as they could have to defend him.
But then for season 2 his current attorney Kathleen Zellner comes in and makes it seem like they were completely incompetent.
But then for season 2 his current attorney Kathleen Zellner comes in and makes it seem like they were completely incompetent.
I'm almost halfway through season 2 now and I really don't understand this. The documentary make it seems like there is no way Avery murdered her. I simply can't believe that this gigantic frame job and cover up could possibly happen. Very disheartening. Also seems to me like if it's proven that there was a frame job, that Kratz dude and the sheriff involved should be in prison for life. Unbelievable
When there's a multi-million dollar lawsuit hanging over the county's head, it makes a lot more sense. Remember how everyone initially wanted to blame the hog farmer for Molly Tibbets? Imagine if the cops wanted to push that narrative instead of looking for the real killer.
Wow, great point. And I kept thinking about that as well from season 1 how there is clear motive for the authorities pulling this off. The overwhelming feeling I had watching this and actually considering the literal cover up and framing for a murder is what got me though. You'd probably have to have a good amount of people aware of what was happening and actively involved in framing Avery. Had to have taken a good amount of coordination, planning, and execution that definitely required a bunch of authorities that have had to stay quiet and live with that guilt for 10+ years. Disgusting.
Kratz makes my skin crawl. He is the definition of a slimy lawyer.
Did Bobby Dassey do it? I don't know. Do I think he was influenced to change his story by the prosecution? Yes. I think he has told three different story's from seeing her walk towards Avery's trailer, not seeing her at all, and seeing her leave the property.
Why was her day planner she used that day in her vehicle, as shown by the phone calls, found in her apartment?
And how can the Federal judges watch the tape of Brendan Dassey and not think that he was coerced?
There are so many holes and unanswered questions
Did Bobby Dassey do it? I don't know. Do I think he was influenced to change his story by the prosecution? Yes. I think he has told three different story's from seeing her walk towards Avery's trailer, not seeing her at all, and seeing her leave the property.
Why was her day planner she used that day in her vehicle, as shown by the phone calls, found in her apartment?
And how can the Federal judges watch the tape of Brendan Dassey and not think that he was coerced?
There are so many holes and unanswered questions
The filmmakers do have an agenda. They really only show one side of the story. There may be some procedural errors and some incompetence but a frame job and cover up seems to be a stretch.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/01/25/dead-certainty
When I first saw the show, I was outraged but a couple of things about the story bothered me. Once I googled it, the article above and others that were similar really made me disappointed in the filmmakers.
I'll tell you what. That hard drive stuff was something and if the jury would have seen that, it would have had to affect them.
I go all over on this. On one hand I think Avery did it but on the other, there is almost zero actual evidence that is clean that points to him, especially in context of the story Kratz laid out. You're telling me there was this gruesome rape with her throat getting cut in the bedroom, followed by taking her out to the garage to shoot her, and Steven Avery, with his 83 IQ is cleaning all of that up perfectly but he's dumb enough to leave blood in her car on his families property and the key in his room? GTFO. I just don't have any idea how he got convicted.
You need to watch the second one because it debunks some of the stuff this lady points to in her article.
I think the fact that the other side didn't participate made it seem more one sided but I don't think the filmmakers did anything wrong at all.
I think season 2 pretty well addressed most of the concerns in that article. I'm not convinced Avery is innocent, but I don't think there's any way it happened the way Brendan confessed and Kratz stated as fact in the prosecution and press conferences BEFORE prosecution. There was prosecutorial misconduct everywhere in this case. Kratz is a slimeball.
Yeah, Kratz is an idiot and the fact that he is now disbarred pretty much proves that.
The thing that really floored me for Season 2 was in the waning minutes of the last episode they interview the County Coroner, described as the #1 law enforcement officer in the county. I don't know why that interview wasn't sooner in the series, but HOLY **** that was maddening.
She was threatened to be arrested if she even stepped foot on the scene. Every person in Manitowac County are shady af.
She was threatened to be arrested if she even stepped foot on the scene. Every person in Manitowac County are shady af.
And then she couldn't testify! I forgot about her.
Listen, I don't think the cops killed the girl. I think they fully think Avery killed her but I think they figured out they didn't have much for evidence and they went to work formulating a story and getting Dassey to fill it in and then they made the evidence fit (kind of).
I don't think Dassey had anything to do with it. But I'm not 100% certain on Avery. BUT... look at how hairy that f'n guy is! And he didn't drop a single hair in that RAV4? Yet they scoured the vehicle for flakes of blood from the carpet? There's no way that guy "cleaned" any evidence scene thorough enough. Did you see the way he lived?
It just feels to me like it's the "other nephew".
Avery may be not guilty but the filmmakers have their agenda. They made every bit of prosecution evidence seem cloudy. They made every possible effort to make Avery seem sympathetic and naive. They left off the DNA evidence from the hood of her car. They left off her DNA being on a bullet that was shot from a gun that was Avery's. They made light of his animal cruelty. They left off the fact that he made all those phone calls to her while trying to block his number. I guess I better watch the second series to see how that plays out.
Maybe I'll change my mind back. I'm not sure that's correct sentence structure.
Maybe I'll change my mind back. I'm not sure that's correct sentence structure.
I agree he's shady - but whats the motive? He advanced on her and she said no?
That's where I'm at. There's no way Avery is smart enough to clean the whole thing up, especially if it was as gruesome as that testimony and how the court decided that testimony was admissible is beyond me. It was clear he was saying things to get them to stop asking.
The other thing was how freaked out the Tadychs were when Zellner brought up Bobby(?). That **** on the computer was damning. I realize that you can't prosecute the kid based on that but you can sure as hell draw reasonable doubt. That was disturbing and fit almost exactly what happened to the body. The flakes of blood were also super sketchy. There's just so much stuff that doesn't make any sense.
