OT: Making A Murderer on Netflix

[Tre4ISU]

Avery may be not guilty but the filmmakers have their agenda. They made every bit of prosecution evidence seem cloudy. They made every possible effort to make Avery seem sympathetic and naive. They left off the DNA evidence from the hood of her car. They left off her DNA being on a bullet that was shot from a gun that was Avery's. They made light of his animal cruelty. They left off the fact that he made all those phone calls to her while trying to block his number. I guess I better watch the second series to see how that plays out.

Maybe I'll change my mind back. I'm not sure that's correct sentence structure.

If she was so scared why did she show up there by herself? They touch on all of that stuff and have a somewhat compelling theory regarding that.

I agree that they had an angle and it sells much better when people like me think this thing was rigged. The problem is there's a lot of evidence that they can't refute. Wait until you see them analyze the bullet. There is no evidence it was ever shot through a human. They also go through the hood DNA which seemed shaky if the expert knew what they were talking about. Zellner basically casts doubt on every piece of forensic evidence they had and after watching the second season, one has to wonder why the initial defense didn't include more experts on some of this stuff because it was pretty cut and dry science.

 

[Fitzy]

The fact that law enforcement made a point of collecting Teresa Halbach's chapstick from her home for her DNA, and then Zellner found a waxy substance with traces of cotton on the bullet found in the garage (chapstick applied with a cotton swab?), was a biggie IMO.

 

[TXCyclones]

I agree he's shady - but whats the motive? He advanced on her and she said no?

Not sure I understand that question. Why do you think he has any more/less motive than the two who were convicted?

 

[Scott34]

Just started the 2nd series. As mentioned before Kraft is a f****** slimeball. Cant wait to get through this series.

 

[jcyclonee]

If she was so scared why did she show up there by herself? They touch on all of that stuff and have a somewhat compelling theory regarding that.

I agree that they had an angle and it sells much better when people like me think this thing was rigged. The problem is there's a lot of evidence that they can't refute. Wait until you see them analyze the bullet. There is no evidence it was ever shot through a human. They also go through the hood DNA which seemed shaky if the expert knew what they were talking about. Zellner basically casts doubt on every piece of forensic evidence they had and after watching the second season, one has to wonder why the initial defense didn't include more experts on some of this stuff because it was pretty cut and dry science.

Alright. I'll watch it. The first one had me intrigued. This one probably will too.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The fact that law enforcement made a point of collecting Teresa Halbach's chapstick from her home for her DNA, and then Zellner found a waxy substance with traces of cotton on the bullet found in the garage (chapstick applied with a cotton swab?), was a biggie IMO.

And not only was there no indication of it going through a human, it almost certainly went through wood. That bullet did not come in contact with her.

 

[jmb]

That's where I'm at. There's no way Avery is smart enough to clean the whole thing up, especially if it was as gruesome as that testimony and how the court decided that testimony was admissible is beyond me. It was clear he was saying things to get them to stop asking.

The other thing was how freaked out the Tadychs were when Zellner brought up Bobby(?). That **** on the computer was damning. I realize that you can't prosecute the kid based on that but you can sure as hell draw reasonable doubt. That was disturbing and fit almost exactly what happened to the body. The flakes of blood were also super sketchy. There's just so much stuff that doesn't make any sense.

For those that have watched(I missed that it is available)part two what is the Occam’s razor here?

 

[Scott34]

Also, it's kinda funny because after season 1, I and most people probably thought that Avery's defense attorneys Dean Strang and Jerry Buting did about as much as they could have to defend him.

But then for season 2 his current attorney Kathleen Zellner comes in and makes it seem like they were completely incompetent.

No kidding. As you watch the 1st season your like, they have to let him off. Then Zellner comes along and the stuff that she comes up with is unreal. That woman is good.

 

[cobraclone71]

Currently about halfway through Part 2...and completely glued to my tv.

I know we are only seeing one side of the story, in a rather dramatized lens nonetheless, but Zellner is raining seeds of doubt all over the prosecutions original case. It's crazy what she is digging up.

Side note - Do you think they do a Part 3 where there finally find out what happened the night all 101 Dalmatians were stolen? I'm pretty certain Cruella started practicing law after the Disney money dried up.

 

[cycfan1]

Not sure I understand that question. Why do you think he has any more/less motive than the two who were convicted?

I agree with you - not sure that he does. Although Avery did have a prior relationship with her - Bobby would have just seen her when she pulled up that time. Hilligras is more of a red flag for me... just not seeing how it ties together with Bobby.

 

[TXCyclones]

Currently about halfway through Part 2...and completely glued to my tv.

I know we are only seeing one side of the story, in a rather dramatized lens nonetheless, but Zellner is raining seeds of doubt all over the prosecutions original case. It's crazy what she is digging up.

Side note - Do you think they do a Part 3 where there finally find out what happened the night all 101 Dalmatians were stolen? I'm pretty certain Cruella started practicing law after the Disney money dried up.

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Every time they show her hands all I can think of is this:

But every time she smiles all I see is this:

 

[NATEizKING]

Stayed up way too late finishing this last night.

The Brady violations are insane, I just don't see how you can not grant him another trial based on that alone. More human bones in the Quarry? Not releasing the star witness PC content to the defense? Either of those things are huge.

The brain wave thing that is more accurate than lie detector tests, how does Stephen pass that?

I had my doubts on whether or not he was innocent after season 1 and still do, but there isn't much left to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt that he did it after season 2.

31 of his 56 years in prison. Crazy

 

[Scott34]

Stayed up way too late finishing this last night.

The Brady violations are insane, I just don't see how you can not grant him another trial based on that alone. More human bones in the Quarry? Not releasing the star witness PC content to the defense? Either of those things are huge.

The brain wave thing that is more accurate than lie detector tests, how does Stephen pass that?

I had my doubts on whether or not he was innocent after season 1 and still do, but there isn't much left to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt that he did it after season 2.

31 of his 56 years in prison. Crazy

And the way she debunked the blood in the car by actual testing was another crazy thing to see. Totally agree, I'm not sure how u cant give him another trial.

 

[JBone84]

The fact that law enforcement made a point of collecting Teresa Halbach's chapstick from her home for her DNA, and then Zellner found a waxy substance with traces of cotton on the bullet found in the garage (chapstick applied with a cotton swab?), was a biggie IMO.

They collected more than her chapstick!

 

[TXCyclones]

They collected more than her chapstick!

I assume you're talking about the vibrator? I laughed my ass off when I saw that! Why collect that?

 

[JBone84]

For those that have watched(I missed that it is available)part two what is the Occam’s razor here?

Occam's Razor is:

Spoiler: Guilty Parties

Hillegas (ex-boyfriend) andor Bobby Dassey (creepy child porn and necro porn)

 

[JBone84]

I assume you're talking about the vibrator? I laughed my ass off when I saw that! Why collect that?

Yep that's what I was getting at.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I assume you're talking about the vibrator? I laughed my ass off when I saw that! Why collect that?

I don't know how DNA works but I have an idea what they were trying to get.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Forget Bobby for a second.

https://www.postcrescent.com/story/...lawyer-ex-boyfriend-killed-halbach/387912001/

 

[iahawks]

If she was so scared why did she show up there by herself? They touch on all of that stuff and have a somewhat compelling theory regarding that.

I agree that they had an angle and it sells much better when people like me think this thing was rigged. The problem is there's a lot of evidence that they can't refute. Wait until you see them analyze the bullet. There is no evidence it was ever shot through a human. They also go through the hood DNA which seemed shaky if the expert knew what they were talking about. Zellner basically casts doubt on every piece of forensic evidence they had and after watching the second season, one has to wonder why the initial defense didn't include more experts on some of this stuff because it was pretty cut and dry science.

Probably budget. Zellnar has a lot of money to use for her investigations.