OT: Making A Murderer on Netflix

dahliaclone

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When they had that woman on that found the RAV4, and they showed the aerial shot of the salvage yard I said 'if they said they found it in like ten minutes I'm gonna flip my ****.' Low and behold, she's like oh we looked here for a minute and then God pointed me to this area. No. *******. Way. There is NO WAY they find the car that soon. Period.
 

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I don't think the police went as far as actually killing her, but I do think it's possible that they planted the key and the blood..especially with how the tape was on the blood package and the needle hole in the top of it.

The key really makes no sense since they had searched several times before and didn't see it. There was no dna from the victim on the key, just the accused. No one is going to be smart enough to clean up all of the dna from an alleged rape and throat slashing and then be dumb enough to leave the key in plain sight.
If only the Avery's would have had surveillance cameras around their property this maybe could have turned out differently.
 

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If only the Avery's would have had surveillance cameras around their property this maybe could have turned out differently.

Or the police could have properly done their jobs.










Surveillance cameras would have been better.
 

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Jury system is ****ed up. There are too many stupid ******* people walking around out there who are given too much power in serious situations like this.
 

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A couple of comments. Police are prevented from illegal coercing, which generally means they can't physically abuse someone, threaten their harm against them or their family, deny them food, sleep, etc. What the Wisconsin police did is fine. The court properly allowed it in and it was for the jury to decide how much weight to give it. The investigator was hired by Dassey's attorney, which is all the more odd. Len simply decided his guy was guilty, didn't want to try the case and was going to beat that kid into cooperating and pleading. If (if) I had to defend it, I would say that Len knew he'd get convicted regardless after that 1st confession and was trying to look out for his best interest and get him a deal vs. what he got.

I'm telling you, there is a lot of good people who when put on a jury like that will not have the courage to go against the police and the district attorney. They fear what their neighbors will say when they get off that jury, they fear the chance that the accused did it (and will do it again) and they make a mistake and let him go.
 

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A couple of comments. Police are prevented from illegal coercing, which generally means they can't physically abuse someone, threaten their harm against them or their family, deny them food, sleep, etc. What the Wisconsin police did is fine. The court properly allowed it in and it was for the jury to decide how much weight to give it. The investigator was hired by Dassey's attorney, which is all the more odd. Len simply decided his guy was guilty, didn't want to try the case and was going to beat that kid into cooperating and pleading. If (if) I had to defend it, I would say that Len knew he'd get convicted regardless after that 1st confession and was trying to look out for his best interest and get him a deal vs. what he got.

I'm telling you, there is a lot of good people who when put on a jury like that will not have the courage to go against the police and the district attorney. They fear what their neighbors will say when they get off that jury, they fear the chance that the accused did it (and will do it again) and they make a mistake and let him go.


I'm not done with the series yet, but I can't help but keep thinking (personal vendettas aside) how this would all be different if the Avery's were just a tiny bit more intelligent and wealthy. Not even a lot, just more solidly in the middle class.

It's like it's no skin off anyone's back if these guys go to jail.
 

clonedude

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I'm not done with the series yet, but I can't help but keep thinking (personal vendettas aside) how this would all be different if the Avery's were just a tiny bit more intelligent and wealthy. Not even a lot, just more solidly in the middle class.

It's like it's no skin off anyone's back if these guys go to jail.

That's the saddest part of this show IMO. The moral of it to me is that "justice" in this country is determined by how much money you have and/or intelligent you are.

It is proven time and time again in this country, and it is sickening. Look at OJ. If he would have been poor, he would have had no chance whatsoever. And in this show, poor Brendan never had a chance.

One question I have for everyone on here is this.... would this young photographer lady still be alive today if Steven Avery never had filed a 36 million dollar lawsuit against the Manitowac Police Department?
 

Clon3

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That's the saddest part of this show IMO. The moral of it to me is that "justice" in this country is determined by how much money you have and/or intelligent you are.

It is proven time and time again in this country, and it is sickening. Look at OJ. If he would have been poor, he would have had no chance whatsoever. And in this show, poor Brendan never had a chance.

One question I have for everyone on here is this.... would this young photographer lady still be alive today if Steven Avery never had filed a 36 million dollar lawsuit against the Manitowac Police Department?

I do not believe that her murder had anything to do with the lawsuit. She would have gone about her day the same exact way, lawsuit or not, and unfortunately whoever may have been the killer (Avery included) did not have the lawsuit in mind during the committing of the crime. However based on the way the series was done and presented, I do believe that law enforcement took advantage of the possibility of Avery as a suspect because of the pending lawsuit.
 

clonedude

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I do not believe that her murder had anything to do with the lawsuit. She would have gone about her day the same exact way, lawsuit or not, and unfortunately whoever may have been the killer (Avery included) did not have the lawsuit in mind during the committing of the crime. However based on the way the series was done and presented, I do believe that law enforcement took advantage of the possibility of Avery as a suspect because of the pending lawsuit.

Who had a motive to kill her? Certainly not Avery IMO. Her ex-boyfriend possibly. The police department... definitely. Who else?
 

Clon3

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Who had a motive to kill her? Certainly not Avery IMO. Her ex-boyfriend possibly. The police department... definitely. Who else?

I'm not sure how far into the series you are so I don't want to give my theory yet (very similar to the one given by 55db on the 3rd page if you don't mind any foresight/"spoiling"). There are a couple people that take the stand who contradict what they originally testified and I think that they had something to do with her disappearance.
 

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Just starting episode 3.

Ep. 1: Wow, **** poor detective work. Pathetic criminal work. COME ON PEOPLE.

Ep. 2: Ok he clearly killed the lady. All the clues are pointing to it.

Here we go Ep. 3.
 

ISUCubswin

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As I sit back and am about to start episode 3, I do have to say...you'd think anyone who murdered someone would know well enough not to leave their keys in their own bedroom.
 

Clon3

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As I sit back and am about to start episode 3, I do have to say...you'd think anyone who murdered someone would know well enough not to leave their keys in their own bedroom.

You're in for a ride. Episodes 3-7 had me glued to the screen. Let us know what you think!
 

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And they vote and or/drive! AAACCKK!

I don't know if I'm jimlad about this or not.

Jury system is ****ed up. There are too many stupid ******* people walking around out there who are given too much power in serious situations like this.
 

Gonzo

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Definitely jimlad

No jimlad from me. Someone's life is on the line and it's put into the hands of people who can't form a coherent sentence. Sorry, it's just true. This case is the perfect example. Casey Anthony. OJ. And these are just the high profile cases in the national spotlight. Think about those that nobody pays attention to that end up as complete miscarriages of justice every day, just because a juror is tired and wants to get home to his/her family, doesn't understand the complexities of the evidence presented, lacks the confidence to voice an honest opinion that goes against the majority, or is just a complete dipsh!t walking the streets. These are real reasons that innocent people get sent to prison for life. This guy already lost 18 years of his life because it happened to him once. 18 years. Pretty easy to shrug it off from a distance.