15 pages of endless speculation I would assume. Congrats to @ChrisMWilliams, baby has a new pair of shoes just off of this thread I would assume.
Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks
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Lol. I don't think it's unrealistic that at some point down the line the B1G is going to make a move that's in its best interest with regards to expansion, which could likely involve the top Pac 12 programs.
You don't think any of the Pac schools would be interested in making B1G dollars? The status quo has them making $20 million less per year in the Pac.
That would be the biggest geographic jump by far in P5 realignment all time so there are definitely reasons to think it might not happen.
Oregon state might. You need a west coast rutgers.
Definitely reasons to think it might not happen. But we're entering an strange new world with this stuff, if the ACC remains off limits for the next 15 years there's not a lot of options that make sense.
Everything I’m ready is saying that the Big 10, PAC 12, and ACC are now working collectively. So if any teams are added (which that unfortunately isn’t looking promising) then all 3 conferences will work together to decide who fits best, where. Not trying to be doom and gloom, but if the remaining Big 8 schools can’t make the “alliance” more money, we might be screwed and need to find plan B.
I enjoy change as long as it doesn't destroy the ability of the athletic department to compete against the better teams in the country. Change to the Big 10 or Pac 12 I would be all for, change down to this hybrid G5/P5 league is like the guy that was an executive at a company making 150K a year. getting let go and finding a new job by $110K a year. Sure he can get buy on less money, but how does it effect his life style?
Are you willing to go back to the days of no improvements to JTS, nothing being done to Hilton? Or do you like many of us love those improvements and want to see more of them in the future. Because if we are forced into enlarging the old Big 12, those future improvements go down the drain.
But Hey, its a change.
In all these mega threads, there’s been little discussion of how and why professional leagues expanded in the past. I’m not saying THE answer is in there somewhere but it seems like it would offer clues.
KidSilverhair
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This is deep. And insightful.
The attitude of “I’ve got mine, sucks to be the rest of you” has been a destructive force in college athletics for a long time (this thread‘s discussion of the Big 12 Network getting shot down by UT/OU/NU/TAMU is a great example, along with the obvious current events with UT/OU and perhaps the Clemson/FSU rumors). Heck, that exact same attitude has been destructive for America in general, certainly for the last 40 years.
Just like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos need to recognize their billions in net worth was not just created by them, but by their workers and the roads and infrastructure and utilities and all the rest American society offers its citizens, the CFB blue bloods need to recognize their success depends on their conference mates, not just their own programs. You have to play *somebody.* ESPN isn’t going to pay $80 million a year to show Texas intrasquad games.
The ideal revenue distribution for a conference is equal sharing, because every member of that conference offers *something* to the group as a whole, and you need all those members for competition purposes, at the very least. Once you start divvying up revenues based on perceived success or some level of “they deserve more,“ you’ve just told your members (as George Orwell put it) that some of them are more equal than others. And there’s the seed for even less parity, less unity, and a ton of resentment … exactly what you want in a voluntary group of like-minded educational institutions!
What college football needs is a forward-thinking, no-nonsense leader who can stand up to the Texases and Ohio States and SECs and just tell them the way it’s going to be - everybody shares in the successes of their conference, everybody plays by the same rules, and the value of every institution is recognized and credited.
Of course this will never happen. Much as the billionaires continue to spend their money on spaceships instead of fixing problems with their fellow humans, the big boys will gain power in their individual conferences, who will then fight and connive amongst themselves because $60 million a year just isn’t enough if $80 million a year is possible by screwing over somebody else, and college football becomes nothing more than the NFL minor leagues.
I don't think those 3 conferences have any reason to add anyone if there is an alliance.
But if they are working together, and not taking each others teams, then no school will make more money for any of the remaining conferences, using that theory.
I think ISU, OSU and KU bring value, meaning more money to any conference that adds them. Now is that enough money to make up what a share of the conference is now getting, I have no idea. But I also do not think that this Alliance means that there will never be more expansion, to me its says we are going to wait a few years, to get a better lay of the land, and then look into expanding if we feel the need.
ISU and the rest have 2 most likely 4 years until we get in trouble from lack of money, if we are sitting here in 2024 after the Big 10 and the Pac 12 have redone their media deals, and they are not looking to expand, then we are in trouble. But not until then.
I doubt the alliance is a long-term thing. Could be wrong. But I think it's more a quick and sensible response to SECESPN letting them know they're not calling the shots. I wouldn't see any expansion among the three happening anytime soon, but in a few years if/when the individual conferences are ready to make a move that's in their interest, I can't imagine the three are going to operate in lockstep towards an equitable end.
Good lord more doom and gloom from you. Yes capital improvement schedules would change. But we can have good bb and fb programs in this brave new world.
You seem to think we really can choose our own options. Reality is it’s out of our hands.
My biggest concern is keeping Campbell. I think that's something that is sort of in our control. The rest is **** that I won't waste my time worrying about because it's not gonna change anything. We keep Campbell we will be competitive if not dominant in nearly any conference we end up in.
Correct its out of our hands, but to say that we can have a good football program, please show me how we are going to afford that. ISU is not in a major markets like Houston and Cincinnati with tons of players. We live in a small rural state with 3 million people, how many highly ranked instate kids that are now giving us a look, will if we move down?
How long is Campbell staying around when we cut his salary to 2 million, the assistant coaches when we cut their salaries. I am sure the BOR is going to love Iowa State providing the athletic department with 10 to 20 millions a year to stay at our current levels. Not a lot of wealthy oil men living here in Iowa like Texas to make up the difference.
How many season ticket holders do we lose when the Big game at home this year is Memphis or Houston instead of Texas or Oklahoma? How many ISU fans are going to be for traveling to Iowa City on a 2 for 1 instead of a home and home?
To say this idea that ISU will be fine in a remodeled Big 12 is beyond crazy, we go from thriving to holding on,
