Because losing to a 15th seed in the first round of the tourney and then having to watch the highlights for the next 5 years on CBS is so invigorating for the program...
Paul Shirley in the DMR about end of 2001 season
- Thread starter DutchViking
- Start date
Because losing to a 15th seed in the first round of the tourney and then having to watch the highlights for the next 5 years on CBS is so invigorating for the program...
Agree 100%. You could tell in February that those guys were dead men walking. Its a shame that Larry has so much baggage because I think he is one of the best X's and Os coaches in the business.
Stay sober my friends.
JBH = winning a Big 12 title nearly single handled means you drove your team into a ditch.
I'd like to hear your take on my opinion that the sky is blue.
Tinsley's attitude contributed to a problem that led to the embarrasing Hampton loss.
In the bigger picture, the team hasn't been out of the proverbial ditch until last year. Those Big 12 MBB titles under LE came at a huge price.
I guess I don't understand the purpose of this article, other for Paul Shirley to rant about how unhappy he was because of 1) a coach that obviously had issues outside of coaching, and 2) a teammate that apparently was a prima donna. Why now? What's the purpose? He only mentions Fred and the boys late in the article in an attempt to say something about something other than himself and how his life was ruined. I feel sorry for you Paul. You had your time in the NBA and Europe. It's time to let it go and move on. And shame on the register for putting this in print.
Last edited:
I don't what PS's intent was in writing the article. But apart from that, such articles serve as a reminder of what happens when an institution/community ignores obvious problems that will cause future difficulty in exchange for short term success.
That's what I'm saying. It makes no sense. Especially calling out Tinsley.
Without JT Shirley is probably a role player who never sniffs the run he had in the pros. Look at Hilton's rafters, pull down the most prestigious mens basketball banners of the modern era without this player who drove Paul Shirley "into a ditch".
Tinsley's 'drive us into a ditch' level of play was far better than anything ISU has seen until Royce's best games this year, including players who were drafted.
If he was a lazy thug as JBH and others seem to think, his lazy thug play was still good enough to be an All American and win back to back Big 12 championships squarely on his shoulders. Let's start a thread where we all slam Jack Trice, Seneca Wallace, Sage Rosenfels and Troy Davis...it would make exactly as much sense as an ISU fan Tinsley-bashing thread does 11 years later.
Honestly we all want our sports figures to be more open. When they are, we rip them for it. I got no problem with him saying this stuff. If you have a problem with it getting dredged up right before our tourney game this year blame the DMR.
I don't really care about the article but the timing is just all wrong. Why throw out a negative article like this on the day that should be the most positive for ISU basketball in years. We're back in the dance baby!
I just hope Shirley embraces being labeled a pathetic crybaby loser, he certainly has no problems writing that an All American who never lost in Ames drove ISU into a ditch.
I would suggest neither is accurate, neither needs to be said, and neither does anyone a bit of good.
CycloneErik
Well-Known Member
It was intended to be a positive article about this year's team, and Shirley used his last ISU team as evidence to make his point. Get past it. We've got an actual game tonight.
Originally Posted by CyCope
My opinion just changed on quite a bit on Eustachy.
^^^ exactly.
~~~~~~~~
...and you've only heard just a sliver of the whole story.
My opinion just changed on quite a bit on Eustachy.
^^^ exactly.
~~~~~~~~
...and you've only heard just a sliver of the whole story.
No one wants to be reminded of bad times. I for one was glad for some insight into what led to the Hampton loss. LE was a "win at all costs kind of coach." LE was abusive too. He's on the right track now, but there would be nothing wrong with giving PS a call.
Sorry that I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to ask a question:
Does anyone else recall Shirley writing a similar letter-to-the-editor in the DMR supporting LE at the time that he was fired? It was before Shirley became known as a blogger and I'm pretty sure it was the DMR.
It seems odd in this context of "not forgiving him".
Does anyone else recall Shirley writing a similar letter-to-the-editor in the DMR supporting LE at the time that he was fired? It was before Shirley became known as a blogger and I'm pretty sure it was the DMR.
It seems odd in this context of "not forgiving him".
Paul isn't and never has been a self-involved writer. Have you read his book?
Shirley gets a bad reputation because he is a cynical about things but almost all of the time he is right.
Not his book - I didn't waste the time (and, more to the point, money) to read it after reading his blog and when he used to write for ESPN. I disagree, everything is about Paul Shirley and how things affect him. While that may be the nature of blogs, he is one of the more arrogant people whose writing I've ever read.
CycloneErik
Well-Known Member
I didn't find him arrogant at all. The point of the blog was his NBA experience, so he did talk about himself as the subject, but not arrogantly. He just had his own perspective.
Criticize a blogger because he is writing about himself. Too self centered. Criticize a blogger because he is not writing about himself and obviously knows nothing about the topic. Another internet favorite.
It is very easy to get out there and be critical on the web hiding behind an Alice in Wonderland avatar isn't it? Paul was there when all this happened. He likely knows a little bit about it, and most believe he is being generous with his comments. I bet you have never met Paul Shirley, but you seem to think throwing out your expert judgement on his motives is the right thing to do. The passive aggresiveness of the internet wears on me sometimes.
