Pick One - RB

Pick one:

  • Breece

  • Troy


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JimmyChitwood

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Yep...That's no doubt top 4. Can't think of anyone else even close. They were all pretty special just different teams, eras, and type of RB. Montgomery is the best after contact RB I have ever seen play at Iowa State and one of the better in college. He's had a pretty decent NFL career also so he's my #1.
What about Dexter Green, Dwayne Crutchfiels and Blaise Bryant?
 

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Was Troy not good enough to play much in the NFL or what happened? I was 5 at the time.
 

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In Troy's 2 years as a starter, he averaged 34 carries per game and 5.6 ypc when everybody and their mother knew he was getting the ball. (1995-96: Davis 702 carries; QBs 475 pass attempts)

Breece had 3 games total with 30+ carries, and his career high was 34 against Oregon. His career ypc was just under 5.5 in a much more balanced offense (run vs pass).

Troy had 33 career catches and handled some kickoff return duties.

Breece caught 82 passes.

Troy's OL included Tim Kohn (who made the Raiders' 53-man roster) and Pat Augafa (who was on various NFL preseason and practice squads).

We'll see if/how the rest of Breece's OL work out professionally, but Julian Good-Jones is currently a starter in the CFL.
If I am picking one who is the most well-rounded talent, it is Breece.

If I am picking one who accomplished the most against the odds (2 successive years rushing for 2k + yards, fewer complementary offensive weapons so play calls are more predictable, standing up to all the contact and continuing to play) it is Troy.
 

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Was Troy not good enough to play much in the NFL or what happened? I was 5 at the time.
He lacked NFL speed. Also, everyone that wasn't an ISU fan attributed his ridiculous yardage amount to high usage.

Beyond that, teams weren't going to take a "flier" on a kid from a bad ISU program.
 

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He lacked NFL speed. Also, everyone that wasn't an ISU fan attributed his ridiculous yardage amount to high usage.

Beyond that, teams weren't going to take a "flier" on a kid from a bad ISU program.

He was the 2nd pick in the 3rd round, so it wasn't really an issue of not getting an opportunity. He was a great college player that wasn't all that suitable for the NFL. 185 lb guy with mid- 4.7s speed and not a lot of tread left on the tires after his college career. Didn't display much in the passing game as a receiver or in pass protection.
 
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He was the 2nd pick in the 3rd round, so it wasn't really an issue of not getting an opportunity. He was a great college player that wasn't all that suitable for the NFL. 185 lb guy with mid- 4.7s speed and not a lot of tread left on the tires after his college career. Didn't display much in the passing game as a receiver or in pass protection.

He made a lot of hay in the CFL, though. Passing offenses and wider field = more lanes.
 
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I look at it like this:

If you swap them onto each others teams, what does that look like? I think Breece does far better on those Davis teams than Davis does on Breece teams. Breece is just so much more complete. IMO Davis didn't do anything in the NFL because once he was facing a whole team of NFL tacklers, his greatest attribute was severely diminished due to his lack of raw physical talent. That's not to mention the mileage he had on him. Who knows what Breece will do, but there isn't a measurable deficiency that he has. He has everything you want, especially in the modern game.
 
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He lacked NFL speed. Also, everyone that wasn't an ISU fan attributed his ridiculous yardage amount to high usage.

Beyond that, teams weren't going to take a "flier" on a kid from a bad ISU program.
I think there may have been an intelligence factor regarding the playbook too.
 

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I’m not going to pick because they were both studs. But anybody discounting Troy just has youth against them. Everybody knew who was getting the ball and Troy is still the only guy with TWO 2000 yard seasons(I believe). His size was a factor in the NFL but if I need 3 yards on 3rd and 3 I’m giving it to Troy.
 
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coolerifyoudid

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He was the 2nd pick in the 3rd round, so it wasn't really an issue of not getting an opportunity. He was a great college player that wasn't all that suitable for the NFL. 185 lb guy with mid- 4.7s speed and not a lot of tread left on the tires after his college career. Didn't display much in the passing game as a receiver or in pass protection.

I'd honestly forgotten he was drafted in the third round. RBs that were picked before him:

Warrick Dunn
Antowain Smith
Tiki Barber
Byron Hanspard
Corey Dillon
Marc Edwards (fullback)
Sedrick Shaw (yuck)
 
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NickTheGreat

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Put Troy on last years team and he'd probably have 3000 yards.

But Breece on the 1996 team, and he'd probably have 1000.
 
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I’m not going to pick because they were both studs. But anybody discounting Troy just has youth against them. Everybody knew who was getting the ball and Troy is still the only guy with TWO 2000 yard seasons(I believe). His size was a factor in the NFL but if I need 3 yards on 3rd and 3 I’m giving it to Troy.

Ron Dayne also had 2 seasons of over 2000 yards ('96 and '99), but Troy is the only one to do it in back-to-back seasons if that counts for anything.
 

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Should do one with Ennis Haywood, David Montgomery, Breece Hall, Troy Davis.
Crutchfield, Blaise Bryant, Dexter Green, Darren Davis and ARob (just off the top of my head) were all at least as good as Haywood. He was a good back, but I never understood why people overinflate him.

Shoot, I would have liked to see Stevie Hicks with a decent OL.