Please explain the onside kick

[MontyBurns]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

Do you have a link to this "fact" somewhere?

Here you go, Link-Boy. You won't find the Big XII officials' rankings or assignments anywhere because that is not public knowledge, but every college conference does the same thing as well as the NFL, NBA, and MLB.

Games that match elite teams, feature volatile personalities or are nationally televised get circled on the assignor’s calendar. Those contests are usually given to the officials whom the assignor considers to be the best. In that sense, the “ratingâ€￾ and “seniorityâ€￾ categories discussed in the previous section tend to become more important.

Getting Games - Reprinted From Referee Magazine

 

[clone52]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

Do you have a link to this "fact" somewhere?

It may not be a "fact", but its just common sense. Why would you send the best refs to the worst game?

Anyone see the call they missed when our O-lineman blatently facemasked a D-lineman?

 

[cmoneyr]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

I must have missed where that link had anything to do with the Big 12. And it just says there are 4 "criteria" for choosing officiating crews, and that in big games rating or seniority may be more emphasized. Doesn't say anything about the Big 12 ranking games and then assigning the best crews to the best games and so on down the list.

 

[cmoneyr]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

OMG did you see the call they missed where the one guy held the other guy!?!? If we were Oklahoma it totally would've been called!

 

[jtwilson]

We've always had horrible refs. I cannot remember the last game where I went to when I thought the refs did a good job. I'm afraid that Swanson's explanation is all too true...

 

[cmoneyr]

'Tis the burden of the refs. Nobody notices you until you screw something up.

 

[theshadow]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

Im not trying to be a smartass but didnt the penalty help them gain some of those yards? Sorry tryign to learn something, I just figured the yards should start at the end of the play at the least.

The penalty is marked off from the spot of the foul. In this case, the foul occurred 22 (?) yards downfield. 10 yards from that spot is still a gain of 12, and a first down.

 

[Flag Guy]

'Tis the burden of the refs. Nobody notices you until you screw something up.

They were sure noticed last night....
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[Clonefan94]

Granted, there were some shady calls last night. I'm not denying that. The onside kick was one, but I still think that could have gone either way. Whichever way it was ruled on the field is the way it would stand. One camera angle showed it to look like it hit a guy, another, a complete missing of players. The one that stands out to me the most though, is when aTm broke the huddle and then subbed players. Anyways, the cold hard truth is the Refs didn't lose that game for us. Our D's inability to stop anyone was our downfall.

 

[joefrog]

Are people forgetting that during the review, aTm had their defensive unit on the field? They knew it was our ball even. Absolutely pathetic.

 

[cmoneyr]

It seems that the only thing he got wrong was he said Play is confirmed as opposed to play is overturned. Does anyone really thing we would have won the game if that call had gone differently?

 

[ajk4st8]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

Additionally, two older aTm gentlemen that sat behind us were dumbfounded at some of the officiating that went against ISU:
-Intentional grounding - they saw the running back in the are
-AA fumble- the thought AA had the ball firmly in his hand when they hit the grougd - ISU ball
-They were sure that the onside kick was ISU's ball

As I explained some of the calls that ISU fans have weathered over the years (Kansas FB touchdown 3 years ago, Kansas BB three pointer, KU hanging on the rim this year, ...) they were shocked. Then they started talking about the time in 1963 they got screwed against Texas. I laughed.

I dont know what field I was watching because both of those calls were obviously called correctly during the game. Both looked like no brainers.

 

[gutzclone]

One thing I notice last night that has not been mentioned. If the A&M player did NOT touch the ball before it went 10 yards and ISU recovered the loose ball within 10 yards of the kick, 37 1/2 yard line, why was a flag not thrown for illegal touching of the FB?

 

[Wesley]

It look like the AM hand (J Lane) put a slightly new spin on the pigskin and Gene knew it. Rauchy call again from the people up in the booth. They seem to be looking at different stuff or no stuff.

Ref: Hey, we need a looky at the onside."
Booth: Onside? What onside? Oh crap, where is my tape? Isn't the game over yet? I need to get back to Dallas."
Ref: We think the Clones recovered the ball."
Booth: " Yeah, and I suppose the hawks won today. Guess I will just have to ask Beer Buddy Fred what he saw. Fred?"
Fred: "Just call it like you want. Get the frigging game over."
Booth: " You said this was only on FCS and this is Ames and they only show Hawk games in the are? AM bLL!"
Ref: " You bunglers. HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY YOU TEXANS? Heck, now I have to tell the 47k faithful it is AM ball. Crap doubled."
Ref: " After further review from Booth, AM Ball. First down."

 

[cyfreddy]

Re: Please expalain the onside kick

What the hell were you watching. It clearly hit J. Lane in the facemask and possibly his hand. There's no way that should have been overturned.

Agreed ! Chris, must be an A&M fan ! I watched the game on tv, and it clearly hits the A&M player. Even the announcers on tv were confused why it was not Iowa State's ball.

 

[IcSyU]

In real time (I haven't seen any replays), it looks like someone from A&M touched it because the ball's rotation was interrupted and my first thought was what a moron! since the ball had only gone 7 yards. Iowa State clearly recovered the ball (a point we have yet to dispute :wink and there was no flag as someone said before for illegal touching, which is why the whole chain of events makes no sense to me.

 

[clone52]

It seems that the only thing he got wrong was he said Play is confirmed as opposed to play is overturned. Does anyone really thing we would have won the game if that call had gone differently?

The official call before the replay was A&M ball, so the play wasn't overturned.

 

[cmoneyr]

The official call before the replay was A&M ball, so the play wasn't overturned.

If the call on the field was A&M ball why was the Aggie defense on the field?

 

[theshadow]

One thing I notice last night that has not been mentioned. If the A&M player did NOT touch the ball before it went 10 yards and ISU recovered the loose ball within 10 yards of the kick, 37 1/2 yard line, why was a flag not thrown for illegal touching of the FB?

Illegal touching isn't really a "penalty". It's a violation that gives the other team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation.

 

[mwitt]

If the call on the field was A&M ball why was the Aggie defense on the field?

The chains were set up to indicate that it was Aggie ball. The referees did a terrible job of explaining it. The referee did say that the call was confirmed by replay, and then he said first down A&M. I think a lot of fans missed the last part of that because they were cheering because it wasn't communicated well what the call on the field was.