Please Stop with "should've run on 2nd"

[clonedlion]

I don't understand this narrative. Of course it is easy to say now that they should've run, but more and more teams are throwing it in those situations in order to win the game. Carolina Panthers beat the lions on 3rd and seven with a throw, when they could've run it. Week 1, Rodgers did the same thing to the Seahawks.

There is nothing to be gained in questioning that play call. I think 2nd down should've been caught and 3rd should've been pass INT, as well all know. Both were putting ISU players in positions to succeed.

If they run it on 2nd and get stuffed, then what? We get mad if they run it again on 3rd and not try to pick up the first, or we get mad that they throw on third to win the game.

Keep in mind, KSU has a bottom 2 pass defense in the nation. Lazard was in place to make the catch or get interfered with. Both successful spots for ISU and the refs took that from this team, not throwing it on 2nd down.

 

[madguy30]

ISU got 4 yards on a run on the 1st down when the whole stadium knew they were going to run it.

If it means taking time off the clock and forcing KSU to use their time outs, you keep running it until they stop it, which they hadn't since mid-3rd quarter.

If it's working, there's no need to make things complicated.

Maybe the narrative changes if in fact ISU has Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and/or NFL receivers all over.

 

[ArgentCy]

Yes they should have run the ball and CMC knew it, hence the yelling on the headset. One bad mistake by the coaches in a time crunch. Sure they would just take it back and run the ball if they could huddle first...

 

[JackClone]

Why was CMC yelling on the headset. Call the play or don't complain.

 

[clonedlion]

ISU got 4 yards on a run on the 1st down when the whole stadium knew they were going to run it.

If it means taking time off the clock and forcing KSU to use their time outs, you keep running it until they stop it, which they hadn't since mid-3rd quarter.

If it's working, there's no need to make things complicated.

Maybe the narrative changes if in fact ISU has Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and/or NFL receivers all over.

The point here is the wasn't anything wrong with the play call. No matter what, people were going to complain. You could also argue the D played too soft on that last drive, regardless if ISU punted due to running and not picking up the first or threw it twice. Again, those two play calls put or team in a position to be successful and it didn't work out.

 

[spitfyr36]

Why was CMC yelling on the headset. Call the play or don't complain.

Or he can express his frustration like many others did.

 

[MeowingCows]

ISU got 4 yards on a run on the 1st down when the whole stadium knew they were going to run it.

If it means taking time off the clock and forcing KSU to use their time outs, you keep running it until they stop it, which they hadn't since mid-3rd quarter.

If it's working, there's no need to make things complicated.

Maybe the narrative changes if in fact ISU has Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and/or NFL receivers all over.

That's the big argument right there: the run game was more or less working at that point. It's doing it's job, so you roll with it. That being said, we still came out on 3rd down an executed a perfect play: 1-on-1 situation to one of the best players on the team. Two likely scenarios, assuming a well-thrown ball: catch for 1st down, or PI/hold for 1st down. Ball is well-delivered, catch not made, but the flag comes out... And then was picked back up.

The call on second down was aggressive, and honestly, ill-advised. The response back on third down was as close to a perfect recovery as we could ask for, it just didn't pan out.

 

[RING4CY]

Should've run on 2nd down. It runs more time off the clock or forces Kansas State to use a timeout. Either way, it puts the Wildcats at a bigger disadvantage if/when they get the ball back.

 

[CyclonesForever]

You run the ball because even if you get stuffed and lose a yard, you keep the clock running and force K-State to use a timeout. As it was, we threw an incomplete pass and not only did we not gain any yards, but the clock stopped and k-state was able to keep their timeouts, which were crucial to them in their comeback.

 

[jkclone]

You guys continue to miss the point. If I was the coach I would have run the ball but it wasn’t an atrocious play call.

 

[3TrueFans]

You can throw it, you just can't throw an incompletion in that situation.

 

[madguy30]

The point here is the wasn't anything wrong with the play call. No matter what, people were going to complain. You could also argue the D played too soft on that last drive, regardless if ISU punted due to running and not picking up the first or threw it twice. Again, those two play calls put or team in a position to be successful and it didn't work out.

The defense was awful on the last two drives. KSU reached 100 yards just inside the 4th quarter and ended with 250ish.

KSU also had time on that last drive because they had a TO that wasn't burned when they were on defense. Even with an official complete class, the pass on 2nd down was to the sideline, again stopping the clock unnecessarily. Bad call all around hardly a way of putting the team in position for success.

A run play forces KSU's hand at a time out.

 

[BCClone]

The defense was awful on the last two drives. KSU reached 100 yards just inside the 4th quarter and ended with 250ish.

KSU also had time on that last drive because they had a TO that wasn't burned when they were on defense. Even with an official complete class, the pass on 2nd down was to the sideline, again stopping the clock unnecessarily. Bad call all around hardly a way of putting the team in position for success.

A run play forces KSU's hand at a time out.

The pass on second down was with over two minutes, right? Clock only stops inside two, iirc. Am I off?

 

[TykeClone]

That's the big argument right there: the run game was more or less working at that point. It's doing it's job, so you roll with it. That being said, we still came out on 3rd down an executed a perfect play: 1-on-1 situation to one of the best players on the team. Two likely scenarios, assuming a well-thrown ball: catch for 1st down, or PI/hold for 1st down. Ball is well-delivered, catch not made, but the flag comes out... And then was picked back up.

The call on second down was aggressive, and honestly, ill-advised. The response back on third down was as close to a perfect recovery as we could ask for, it just didn't pan out.

The response did pan out. It was just taken from us dishonestly

 

[madguy30]

The pass on second down was with over two minutes, right? Clock only stops inside two, iirc. Am I off?

I think that's NFL rules maybe?

Clock stops after incomplete pass/out of bounds at all times in college.

 

[clonefan841]

The pass on second down was with over two minutes, right? Clock only stops inside two, iirc. Am I off?

I know it stops inside 5 minutes in NFL, not too sure for college, but even if the clock did stop, it's 3rd and 1 instead of 3rd and 6, and most likely we're seeing Lanram

 

[im4cyru]

The direction the rules were being enforced at that point in the game it's likely that offensive holding would have been called on any running play.

 

[CyBobby]

Yes they should have run the ball and CMC knew it, hence the yelling on the headset. One bad mistake by the coaches in a time crunch. Sure they would just take it back and run the ball if they could huddle first...

One bad mistake cost us an opportunity to win the dang game KState ended up with both time on the clock and timeouts it would have had to use if we ran the dam football.......

Even the stupid jim walden knew that you never let your opponent have both time on the clock and timeouts........Its one or the other but never both..............

 

[nfrine]

We're starting to sound like Hoks.....

 

[clonedlion]

The defense was awful on the last two drives. KSU reached 100 yards just inside the 4th quarter and ended with 250ish.

KSU also had time on that last drive because they had a TO that wasn't burned when they were on defense. Even with an official complete class, the pass on 2nd down was to the sideline, again stopping the clock unnecessarily. Bad call all around hardly a way of putting the team in position for success.

A run play forces KSU's hand at a time out.

Again, I can't help but disagree. If the clones run it two straight plays and don't pick up the first, or run it on second and throw on third and it's incomplete, KSU had same amount of time with 1 or no timeouts. The defensive scheme wasn't great regardless, but if KSU does the same thing and scores, then everyone is wondering why we didn't take a shot against the 128th worst pass D in the nation to end the game. So many other teams in same situation are throwing it to end the game, what is wrong with ISU doing it?
This is all moot anyways because we all know it should've been pass INT and a first down for ISU.