agreed. that too is my main concern. he seems to "roll over and take it" when calls are going bad. I wish he would stand up for his players a bit more.
I do however appreciate his absolute lack of vulgarity and profanity. it's extremely respectable.
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agreed. that too is my main concern. he seems to "roll over and take it" when calls are going bad. I wish he would stand up for his players a bit more.
I do however appreciate his absolute lack of vulgarity and profanity. it's extremely respectable.
This. My father used to say that profanity is the language of the uneducated. And I tend to think the majority of folks will respect someone who doesn't swear or curse.
In another thread on this board, someone provided a well-founded analysis of fouls. Basically it's a myth about coaches getting more favorable calls and it held true across the league whether home or away.
I was touched when CSP's voice cracked when handing it over to Deonte. DB is such an animated character and so easy to root for but I bet it has been especially difficult and gratifying for both for the journey they've taken together.
I AGREE both Coach Fred and Coach Steve are cool under the intense pressure of a close game esp Late in the game with everything on the line....
I salute both of them and am hoping for continued success for both Fred Hoiberg & Steve Prohm....
GO Cyclones Lets Beat the Mountain Men....Up in the mountains of course...
Tend to agree, but General George S Patton was a notable exception to that rule....
Did you even watch the game at all? You know very **** well that the comparison stemmed from last night. Last night Underwood was acting like a buffoon, and he's lucky that he wasn't thrown out of the game.
You are freaking hilarious dude. I sit at that end of the court and like to watch how the coaches react. I think it is interesting how they interact with their team and when the harp on the officials. If you want to claim he acted like a lunatic then you have zero perspective on what the other coaches do.
Why would it matter what the other coaches do? You are trying to argue with me a point that I'm not making. I'm saying that the original guy was making a comparison of how Steve Prohm acts vs how Brad Underwood acted during last night's game. Last night, Brad was yelling and jawing at the refs quite a bit. He got one T right way, yet there were several times after that where he was yelling and gesturing at them again. My point is Prohm is QUITE calm compared to tht, and Brad was very lucky he didn't pick up a second technical foul, which would have ejected him from the game. All of the other coaches are completely irrelevant at this point. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that.
Ok but just because someone was crazy compared to Prohm doesn't mean he actually was in danger of being tossed. Honestly though last night their actions were relatively comparable.
Also he didn't get the T until like halfway through the second half.
Prohm is almost unanimously regarded as the calmest/least likely to complain coach in the league. If he is your baseline almost every coach in the country goes batshit crazy. I mean what do you think Huggins does?
My belief has always been that was some gamesmanship from Fred because, earlier in the season in Ames, Self had gotten an otherwise meaningless T which got his team fired up (and won the game). Fred got his T in before Self could thereby taking away that weapon, in effect.
I think this is why we hired Steve Prohm. Underwood looks too much like McDermott. Not sure, but didn't Underwood interview?
I heard Underwood called the ref a jive-turkey, thus earning him the T
Hard to believe that anyone who officiates in the major conferences would be intimidated into making favorable calls for a team whose coach is yelling constantly, but maybe we should ask Fran.
Orr talked to the officials a LOT, and maybe got some calls because he could be darn funny at times, but also got at his share of T's from officials who didn't appreciate being the target of biting sarcasm.
For the most part officials logically are not going to hear it, just is white noise. Well, maybe not white, but noise. Some are going to make sure they don't appear to be intimidated, not give calls for that reason. Some are going to take an F-you approach, you didn't like that call?? How about THIS one. Here's another, oh your best player needs to sit now? Too bad, yell louder, can't hear you. They WERE fouls, usually let those go since don't call half of what's in the rule book anymore, but certainly can call a tighter game if that's what you were yelling for.
Pick your moments, calm most of the time and then go off on a particular call, that's likely to get attention, officials and team, for being outside of the norm. Talk to them at the right time, when you're not showing them up, that's going to get results with most people. For the jerks, well, there're ways to deal with jerkdom somewhat, but yelling isn't going to help.
Some coaches are going to get calls by being convincing debaters in the short conversations that are possible in a TO. Or pointing out missed calls that the official probably had second thoughts about, helped along by crowd reaction.
Coaches ARE going to get calls on the basis of star power. Yessir Mr K, my mistake Mr. Calipari. Yeah, Huggins, you're a yeller and I'll give you a call but that's because I've called 52 on your team and feel it's necessary to even it up a bit, even though all 52 were deserved. But not because you yelled.
But let's ask Fran, whether all of that spit that's spewing forth gets him any calls.
Orr talked to the officials a LOT, and maybe got some calls because he could be darn funny at times, but also got at his share of T's from officials who didn't appreciate being the target of biting sarcasm.
For the most part officials logically are not going to hear it, just is white noise. Well, maybe not white, but noise. Some are going to make sure they don't appear to be intimidated, not give calls for that reason. Some are going to take an F-you approach, you didn't like that call?? How about THIS one. Here's another, oh your best player needs to sit now? Too bad, yell louder, can't hear you. They WERE fouls, usually let those go since don't call half of what's in the rule book anymore, but certainly can call a tighter game if that's what you were yelling for.
Pick your moments, calm most of the time and then go off on a particular call, that's likely to get attention, officials and team, for being outside of the norm. Talk to them at the right time, when you're not showing them up, that's going to get results with most people. For the jerks, well, there're ways to deal with jerkdom somewhat, but yelling isn't going to help.
Some coaches are going to get calls by being convincing debaters in the short conversations that are possible in a TO. Or pointing out missed calls that the official probably had second thoughts about, helped along by crowd reaction.
Coaches ARE going to get calls on the basis of star power. Yessir Mr K, my mistake Mr. Calipari. Yeah, Huggins, you're a yeller and I'll give you a call but that's because I've called 52 on your team and feel it's necessary to even it up a bit, even though all 52 were deserved. But not because you yelled.
But let's ask Fran, whether all of that spit that's spewing forth gets him any calls.
LE was a master at going crazy. Although I remember thinking Floyd was the master at working the refs when at ISU. I remember him when he dangled his foot out of the coaches box maybe against MIZZOU and I think Norman Stewart going bonkers. Floyd ended up watching the end of the game at a bar near Kemper. Than I watched him when he was at USC and than I thought he looked out of control with a quick temper. We love our coaches that win games. Beating KU gained him alot of respect and love.
From the senior's speeches, pre-game interviews, and from Prohm himself his transition to D1 basketball was not an easy one. It's become obviously clear these players love their coach. Job well done
