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Mark Turgeon has a VERY manageable buyout and has Midwest ties

Checks pretty much every box for what you’d want as ISU HC

Turgeon would be a homerun but do you think JP is going to pay him over 2.7 million a year.
 

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Turgeon would be a homerun but do you think JP is going to pay him over 2.7 million a year.

If he wants to hire a proven coach he’s going to have to. Only prohm, Weber and Boynton make under 2.7 in the big 12.

Going cheap and hiring a mid major coach could work. Or we could end up setting program back even further.
 

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Are there any Prohm defenders? I wasn’t aware there were any left. He should have never been hired, and he should have been run out of town like GMAC was before he signed that last extension. Huge huge mistake by Jaime. I love Jaime but that was a killer.

I forgot there was a game until about 5:00 tonight. I was glad to see some guys trying tonight, effort has been a constant problem since Prohm arrived. We just don’t play hard enough with Steveo at the helm. If we had anyone else I would feel pretty optimistic about this group. It’s really early, they should get a lot better and Iowa is damn good. But we jsut got nobody to coach these guys.

I mean, it’s over for Prohm, just a matter of when Iowa State can afford to fire him, he might just run out his contract. But I have accepted basketball is dead until then. I feel bad for the guys, a good coach could get this group to .500 in the Big 12. I think Harris can play, Lands cant give you like 12 a night or so, you should be able to get something out of Foster by year end and Johnson can play. Get Bolton to guard someone once in awhile and throw in Solomon and that’s enough to get 8 or 9 wins. It’s not a bad group really.

He’s just a real bad fit here anyway, really lacks personality, big ego guy, passive aggressively throws players under the bus all the time, really can’t control a room like most D1 coaches can. The guy just doesn’t understand basketball really well, doesn’t control his players, doesn’t have their respect And for damn sure can’t control a timeout. He is just kind of a dumb guy that let’s the players do whatever. It’s harsh but he just isn’t respected and just doesn’t have any personality to overcome any of that stuff.

I could forgive him for all that, but the real bad thing about Prohm is that he NEVER looks in the mirror and tries to get better at being a coach. This is why everyone loves Campbell, he has no ego and changes things if they aren’t working. We suck in November, maybe we shouldn’t kill our guys from August trough October, let’s try to have some self reflection. Stevo....nothing. Same crap over and over again.

Same high screen pick and roll offense that everyone can defend but Iowa State. Same lack of defending the ball screen, same refusal to ICE the ball screen. He can’t decide if he wants to play in transition or play slow. Can’t decide on a lineup until early March. Guy plays it lIke he is this humble guy but he’s either really stupid or has a really big stubborn ego. And it’s probably both. And for god sake Stevo, get an assistant to help you coach a little bit.
You play like you practice. If a coach puts players on the floor that do not compete, play defense, and rebound in practice they will act the same in games. I do not know what the answer is to the contract, but I want to see a coach that demands a better effort.
 
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If he wants to hire a proven coach he’s going to have to. Only prohm, Weber and Boynton make under 2.7 in the big 12.

Going cheap and hiring a mid major coach could work. Or we could end up setting program back even further.
Well then we should have just hired Altman in 2015.
 

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To me this time around you need a person who has built a program (preferably two programs) at a lower level. This is no longer a “maintain” situation this will be a full rebuild.
That list will look like this:
Joe Golding, Abilene Christian
Ryan Odom, UMBC
Scott Nagy, Wright State
Darian DeVries, Drake
Brian Wardle, Bradley,
Niko Medved, Colorado State
TJ Oztelberger, UNLV
Craig Smith, Utah State

Wardle is a very solid bench coach, but is widely disliked in the MVC due to some pretty shady allegations of abusive behavior within his program. Think Gregg Marshall-like behavior. Could be a lot more trouble than it's worth.

From that list I like Craig Smith the best, followed by Odom. DeVries is an intriguing potential candidate; he's done a really great job with Drake so far. Medved might be a little too ambitious and look to move on quickly after some early success.

I don't know how realistic it is, but I've mentioned before that if Thad Matta is interested in getting back into coaching that IMO he becomes Plan A and Plan B. If John Beilein is interested in getting back into coaching he becomes Plan C.
 

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If we want to win in any sport, you are going to have to coach a lot. No other way
Turgeon is 55, Altman is 62. You have those guys for a decade at best. I’m okay with that move but there are people suggesting we can’t afford to buy out Prohm. We have another buy out for these guys and then we are going to pay them more money that CSP currently. I don’t think that is Jamie’s way.
 

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I agree. I hope he’s a candidate for the next coaching search although his $3m Oregon buyout will require many donors opening checkbooks
You pay it. He is one of the Top 15 coaches in America. He is from the Midwest. He gets elite transfer talent. Basically he is what Fred used to be. He brings that to Iowa State and we win for a decade before he retires.
 

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Would have been a good hire. Doubt he wanted it. He is in a good spot.

For sure. If he even hinted an interest in the slightest way, move heaven and earth to make that happen.
Nike isn't letting him go, so we lose the bidding war, but he's one you'd have to pursue if he were interested.

As for the guys on @rochclone's list, I admire the work he did, but pass on all of the lower-school guys.
 

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Wardle is a very solid bench coach, but is widely disliked in the MVC due to some pretty shady allegations of abusive behavior within his program. Think Gregg Marshall-like behavior. Could be a lot more trouble than it's worth.

From that list I like Craig Smith the best, followed by Odom. DeVries is an intriguing potential candidate; he's done a really great job with Drake so far. Medved might be a little too ambitious and look to move on quickly after some early success.

I don't know how realistic it is, but I've mentioned before that if Thad Matta is interested in getting back into coaching that IMO he becomes Plan A and Plan B. If John Beilein is interested in getting back into coaching he becomes Plan C.

I think if you are going to pay Matta or Beilein then perhaps you just go get Altman.
 
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Turgeon is 55, Altman is 62. You have those guys for a decade at best.

I’d take a decade of what those two have given their current programs

A decade would be a lot for an ISU coach

Prohm - year 6
Hoiberg - 5 years
McDermott - 4 years
Morgan - 3 years
Eustachy - 5 years
Floyd - 4 years
Orr - 14 years
Nance - 4 years
Trickey - 2 years
 
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Would have been a good hire. Doubt he wanted it. He is in a good spot.
At that time (2015) he wasn’t as there were allegations of criminal sexual conduct against two of his players. Eventually that got dropped but he was looking for a landing spot. Not sure now. But he is most definitely underpaid per his performance level at Oregon. He is the best bench coach in the PAC-12 and he would only be behind Self and Huggins in the Big 12. He is better than Beard when it comes to X’s and O’s.