Realignment, Alliance, and the Future of College Athletics

[Acylum]

B1g wants to be able to select the two teams for the CCG instead of having the east piss pound the west every year.

 

[NWICY]

Wow this bill...

Think NIL changed college sports? New California senate bill would transform economic model for Pac-12, Mountain West schools

As law, the bill would create a revenue-sharing relationship between athletic departments and athletes in the revenue generating sports, thus jeopardizing money-losing Olympic sports.

www.mercurynews.com

That would become a poop show. I'm amazed at the number of people who want to destroy college athletics. A few more changes and the college athletics we grew up with will be gone, and I'll probably move onto something else. I never would have guessed that I would think that.

 

[NWICY]

B1g wants to be able to select the two teams for the CCG instead of having the east piss pound the west every year.

13th data point my *ss. I'm really beginning to despise what college sports is becoming.

 

[Acylum]

13th data point my *ss. I'm really beginning to despise what college sports is becoming.

I think the P5 will still have CCGs. This is just a way for them to do away with divisions and select their two best teams.

 

[SCNCY]

I think the P5 will still have CCGs. This is just a way for them to do away with divisions and select their two best teams.

After having our round robin, I’ve enjoyed having our two best teams play each other. I think other conferences should have to do the same as well.

 

[Gonzo]

I'd love for the B1G to do away with divisions. Tired of tOSU getting to dodge us for the better part of a decade.

 

[Acylum]

After having our round robin, I’ve enjoyed having our two best teams play each other. I think other conferences should have to do the same as well.

There’s a definite disadvantage for the loser though when selecting the two best. In the B1g, that 2nd best team could sit out the CCG and end up coming out looking pretty good. So it’s kind of a head scratcher why the b1g was the impetus for this move. It makes me think the CFP will be expanding sooner rather than later.

 

[theshadow]

Revisionist Big 12 history: CCGs with two best league records instead of just division champs

12-team divisional era (1996-2010)
1996 - NU vs CU
1997 - NU vs KSU
1998 - KSU vs A&M (same)
1999 - NU vs KSU
2000 - OU vs UT
2001 - CU vs UT (same)
2002 - CU vs OU (same)
2003 - OU vs UT
2004 - OU vs UT
2005 - UT vs TTU
2006 - OU vs UT
2007 - MU vs KU
2008 - two of OU, TTU, and UT
2009 - UT vs NU (same)
2010 - ? [five teams at 6-2]

10-team round-robin era w/o CCG (2011-16)
2011 - OSU vs KSU
2012 - KSU vs OU
2013 - BU vs OSU
2014 (start of CFP era; 13th data point!) - BU vs TCU
2015 - OU vs OSU
2016 - OU vs OSU

 

[Drew0311]

Now would be a good time to have a time machine and just shoot forward 13 years, see what’s up and come back.

 

[everyyard]

B1g wants to be able to select the two teams for the CCG instead of having the east piss pound the west every year.

What about that 13th data point?!??

 

[psychlone99]

After having our round robin, I’ve enjoyed having our two best teams play each other. I think other conferences should have to do the same as well.

After winning the round robin outright a couple years ago, and then losing the 13th data point in a rematch to miss out on a conference title, I've not particularly enjoyed it.

 

[qwerty]

Mike Leach is a GD national treasure.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Revisionist Big 12 history: CCGs with two best league records instead of just division champs

12-team divisional era (1996-2010)
1996 - NU vs CU
1997 - NU vs KSU
1998 - KSU vs A&M (same)
1999 - NU vs KSU
2000 - OU vs UT
2001 - CU vs UT (same)
2002 - CU vs OU (same)
2003 - OU vs UT
2004 - OU vs UT
2005 - UT vs TTU
2006 - OU vs UT
2007 - MU vs KU
2008 - two of OU, TTU, and UT
2009 - UT vs NU (same)
2010 - ? [five teams at 6-2]

10-team round-robin era w/o CCG (2011-16)
2011 - OSU vs KSU
2012 - KSU vs OU
2013 - BU vs OSU
2014 (start of CFP era; 13th data point!) - BU vs TCU
2015 - OU vs OSU
2016 - OU vs OSU

See, it’s probably a good thing that didn’t come to pass, because a Mizzou-Kansas Big XII championship game in 2007 would have caused the universe to fold in on itself and cease to exist.

 

[isucy86]

I think the P5 will still have CCGs. This is just a way for them to do away with divisions and select their two best teams.

If CFB moves to a 12 team playoff, why have a CCG?

Seems to me the best way to guarantee the max playoff berths for a conference is NOT having one of your top 3 schools losing in the CCG.

I can see situations where the 3rd best team in a conference jumps the CCG loser for one of the 12 playoff spots.

Remember money drives decisions. A 12 team playoff is projected to bring in anywhere between $1B-$1.4B more than the current 4 team playoff + NY6. Currently, the G5 schools share in 20% of playoff $. The majority of the rest goes to each P5 Conference. Around $3-$5M goes to the Playoff teams + expenses.

I expect 2 things to happen when a 12 team playoff happens:

1. G5 Schools are pushed aside to create their own playoff like FCS.
2. The 12 Playoff teams will get a $hitload more than $5M. Maybe those 12 teams & their conferences split $20-$30M per game. So playoff teams is more lucrative than CCG.

 

[BMWallace]

If CFB moves to a 12 team playoff, why have a CCG?

Seems to me the best way to guarantee the max playoff berths for a conference is NOT having one of your top 3 schools losing in the CCG.

I can see situations where the 3rd best team in a conference jumps the CCG loser for one of the 12 playoff spots.

Remember money drives decisions. A 12 team playoff is projected to bring in anywhere between $1B-$1.4B more than the current 4 team playoff + NY6. Currently, the G5 schools share in 20% of playoff $. The majority of the rest goes to each P5 Conference. Around $3-$5M goes to the Playoff teams + expenses.

I expect 2 things to happen when a 12 team playoff happens:

1. G5 Schools are pushed aside to create their own playoff like FCS.
2. The 12 Playoff teams will get a $hitload more than $5M. Maybe those 12 teams & their conferences split $20-$30M per game. So playoff teams is more lucrative than CCG.

I could very easily see an expanded playoff pairing with a group of schools going completely autonomous from the NCAA. Whether that autonomous group is the 30 or 40 team super league that has been speculated, or the something like 80 P5+top few remaining G5. Like you said money is driving this, so make the pie larges with an expanded playoff, then split the pie into future pieces by cutting off the bottom schools.

If this breakaway happens, I would expect a reshuffling of the remaining G5s+FCS into a new version of D1 and D1-AA. Basically, what is currently D1 (131 FBS+130 FCS) would shift into 3 competitive tiers with 80 to 90 teams each.

 

[Cyclonepride]

If CFB moves to a 12 team playoff, why have a CCG?

Seems to me the best way to guarantee the max playoff berths for a conference is NOT having one of your top 3 schools losing in the CCG.

I can see situations where the 3rd best team in a conference jumps the CCG loser for one of the 12 playoff spots.

Remember money drives decisions. A 12 team playoff is projected to bring in anywhere between $1B-$1.4B more than the current 4 team playoff + NY6. Currently, the G5 schools share in 20% of playoff $. The majority of the rest goes to each P5 Conference. Around $3-$5M goes to the Playoff teams + expenses.

I expect 2 things to happen when a 12 team playoff happens:

1. G5 Schools are pushed aside to create their own playoff like FCS.
2. The 12 Playoff teams will get a $hitload more than $5M. Maybe those 12 teams & their conferences split $20-$30M per game. So playoff teams is more lucrative than CCG.

I think the conference championship games serve as an excuse to limit the size of the playoff due to the extra game. IMO, it should go to no conference championship games, and a FCS-style playoff.

 

[CascadeClone]

I think the conference championship games serve as an excuse to limit the size of the playoff due to the extra game. IMO, it should go to no conference championship games, and a FCS-style playoff.

It will go one way or the other - either CCG and smaller playoffs, or no CCG and larger playoffs (alternately, the CCGs become part OF the playoffs).

I think it will depend on where ESPN thinks it can make the most money, and that will drive any splitting off from the NCAA and/or NFL-lite league. Then the CCG/playoffs will get figured out based on how that shakes out.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I think the P5 will still have CCGs. This is just a way for them to do away with divisions and select their two best teams.

From a competitive structure standpoint, the Big 12 has been ahead of everyone and getting zero credit. The Big 12 has done everything it could to stick to a traditional model of college football. You know, the one that everyone is now crying to get back to. The way the conference has been treated by the national media is infuriating.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

There’s a definite disadvantage for the loser though when selecting the two best. In the B1g, that 2nd best team could sit out the CCG and end up coming out looking pretty good. So it’s kind of a head scratcher why the b1g was the impetus for this move. It makes me think the CFP will be expanding sooner rather than later.

You are right that the playoff will be expanding in the next 2-3 years (or at least the announcement of it expanding will happen then). I don't understand why they feel the need for this as none of the P5 are getting rid of the conference championship games because they are massive ratings draws. The big ten has been dying to mix up the divisions but there has been a ton of push back from some AD's so I am interested to see what actually happens because having a team from the west regularly get stomped isn't ideal for anyone.

 

[Acylum]

ACC discusses 3-5-5 football model, no divisions

ACC commissioner Jim Phillips and multiple ADs discussed a 3-5-5 conference scheduling model for football in which league teams would play three permanent opponents, then rotate through the rest over a two-year period (five one year, five the next).

www.espn.com