Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[2speedy1]

There are a lot of ways to job the ratings system. Anyone smart enough to be choosing from the top grad schools in the country is going to be smart enough to sniff out stuff like that.

Oh I get it, but You just have to actually click on the page for Presidio and for a few other colleges, to see something is broken with Presidio. Most of the data is missing or just says 1, Or 100%. its like it was not actually finished and just the place holder info is there for that college, or it just has missing data etc. Which makes it be out of place.

This list appears to be a dynamic list based on updatable data, where as a list like US News is a static list.
So if Presidio has corrupt data it would throw it off in the list. But I have yet to find another in the list that appears like that.
Not saying there is not.

 

[NWICY]

How the **** is UCLA worth the 100 million to get into the Big10 but Oregon only worth 30 million?

Because people pull these #s out of their *ss.

 

[2speedy1]

But it's an opinion that parents, grad schools and employers trust.

That's like saying I trust Stewart Mandel's Opinion, Or Paul Finebaum's, they are opinion writers with biases.

 

[Gonzo]

That's like saying I trust Stewart Mandel's Opinion, Or Paul Finebaum's, they are opinion writers with biases.

Right or wrong, US News has a slightly better reputation in its field than those guys.

 

[2speedy1]

@FriendlySpartan @Gonzo

Now I see why you both are trying to find flaws with this list so bad. Michigan State and Iowa are both Ranked BELOW Iowa State. I didnt even notice that. LOL

Now I see it.
I guess you could actually compare the data and see what they say about the schools.

But I guess you want to go by the one that Ranks less than 1/10th of the US colleges, and then only uses less than 1/3 of the data for each college. And bases everything on magazine writers opinions. Fair enough.

But at least you can admit its because you cant handle being ranked lower than the host teams forum.

 

[Gonzo]

@FriendlySpartan @Gonzo

Now I see why you both are trying to find flaws with this list so bad. Michigan State and Iowa are both Ranked BELOW Iowa State. I didnt even notice that. LOL

Now I see it.
I guess you could actually compare the data and see what they say about the schools.

But I guess you want to go by the one that Ranks less than 1/10th of the US colleges, and then only uses less than 1/3 of the data for each college. And bases everything on magazine writers opinions. Fair enough.

But at least you can admit its because you cant handle being ranked lower than the host teams forum.

Lol. Well done.

I did some consulting with a pretty prestigious prep school in Connecticut several years ago and spoke with some parent groups of current students. To a person, the top consideration for which elite prep school they opted for (out of those that their kid actually got into) was % of grads being accepted into an Ivy. After that it was % of grads accepted into top-5 privates, top-5 publics, etc.

 

[Jkclone15]

I like this Jason guy, seems like one of us at heart

He's fighting a proxy war. He represents Arizona, which wants into the B12, but they need to convince ASU and UU to move, and PAC media like Canzano and Mandel are pushing back.

 

[Cyclonepride]

He's fighting a proxy war. He represents Arizona, which wants into the B12, but they need to convince ASU and UU to move, and PAC media like Canzano and Mandel are pushing back.

If Arizona wants into the Big 12, then Arizona should sign with the Big 12. As soon as cracks appear, the floodgates open.

 

[Jkclone15]

If Arizona wants into the Big 12, then Arizona should sign with the Big 12. As soon as cracks appear, the floodgates open.

From what Jason Scheer has said, they will move with just Colorado if they have to, but it will save them a lot of political trouble if they can bring ASU along. If the rumors of the PAC media numbers being $25 million/school are accurate then I think we'll get all 4 sooner rather than later.

 

[NorthCyd]

So basically, become Rice.

They might. Honestly these two might actually care more about academics than football.

They should care more about academics than football. A school like ISU can really benefit from the marketing that high revenue sports provides. Those schools could drop all their high revenue sports and it wouldn't matter one bit.

 

[cyatheart]

They should care more about academics than football. A school like ISU can really benefit from the marketing that high revenue sports provides. Those schools could drop all their high revenue sports and it wouldn't matter one bit.

True, to a degree. Those schools do have very wealthy donors that are not wild about dropping certain sports though.

 

[BCClone]

He's fighting a proxy war. He represents Arizona, which wants into the B12, but they need to convince ASU and UU to move, and PAC media like Canzano and Mandel are pushing back.

He needs to convince the ASU prez, an ISU alum, that teaming with ISU and our buds would be the right move. Sad that that is the case.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

@FriendlySpartan @Gonzo

Now I see why you both are trying to find flaws with this list so bad. Michigan State and Iowa are both Ranked BELOW Iowa State. I didnt even notice that. LOL

Now I see it.
I guess you could actually compare the data and see what they say about the schools.

But I guess you want to go by the one that Ranks less than 1/10th of the US colleges, and then only uses less than 1/3 of the data for each college. And bases everything on magazine writers opinions. Fair enough.

But at least you can admit its because you cant handle being ranked lower than the host teams forum.

Hahahaha I actually didn’t even look for sparty I was seeing where Michigan was ranked. Sparty even in the us news is only ranked in the 70’s-80’s depending on the year.

Looking deeper in their ratings they put a very large emphasis on professor to student ratio, student loan default rate, and a couple other factors but those are listed as “low” so I don’t have much of a beef. Those first two explain why a lot of the premier public universities are ranked so much lower then us news and global rankings. However while I disagree that those things effect how good a school is or how good the education is I would want that info as a high schooler

 

[BCClone]

Hahahaha I actually didn’t even look for sparty I was seeing where Michigan was ranked. Sparty even in the us news is only ranked in the 70’s-80’s depending on the year.

Looking deeper in their ratings they put a very large emphasis on professor to student ratio, student loan default rate, and a couple other factors but those are listed as “low” so I don’t have much of a beef. Those first two explain why a lot of the premier public universities are ranked so much lower then us news and global rankings. However while I disagree that those things effect how good a school is or how good the education is I would want that info as a high schooler

When I checked schools for my kids, the first things I looked at were amount of grads in their area and college and how many were getting jobs in their fields. Second was internships, how regular are they and how much help do they get from the school. Then I considered other things like cost, rep, and others. My kids told me what school/s they felt right at and I messed up that information.

 

[Gonzo]

Hahahaha I actually didn’t even look for sparty I was seeing where Michigan was ranked. Sparty even in the us news is only ranked in the 70’s-80’s depending on the year.

Looking deeper in their ratings they put a very large emphasis on professor to student ratio, student loan default rate, and a couple other factors but those are listed as “low” so I don’t have much of a beef. Those first two explain why a lot of the premier public universities are ranked so much lower then us news and global rankings. However while I disagree that those things effect how good a school is or how good the education is I would want that info as a high schooler

Student-to-faculty ratios are one of the easier stats to misrepresent.

 

[PizzaTheHutt]

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The digs at Stew made me lol

 

[Cloneon]

Perception is reality with this stuff. US News rankings have been flawed for many reasons for many years, but the simple truth is that it's valued by the decision makers, mostly parents and counselors.

Absolutely. And we tend to follow the best propaganda campaign. I just feel lucky there are people out there who present intelligent alternatives for us to consider. The days of simply believing journalistic points of view are dwindling because access to actual non $$$ motivated studies are becoming more readily available.

 

[Cloneon]

Right or wrong, US News has a slightly better reputation in its field than those guys.

'Reputation' is an interesting call. Just curious. Why would you say this? Because it's information is more widespread? Or because it's actually better?
When I first assessed rankings, I first saw U.S. News because it was everywhere. It wasn't until I took the time to dive deeper into the metrics of their analysis that I saw flaws and built in bias.

 

[CascadeClone]

But it's an opinion that parents, grad schools and employers trust.

The Coach's poll gets published weekly and it is also unmitigated garbage.

My biggest problem w USNews rankings is they use acceptance rate as a significant criteria IIRC. But for big state schools with defined "in or out" criteria, kids know whether to apply or not. So the accpt rate is naturally high. Whereas a tiny private school is the opposite. Hell, Loras college prob has a lower accpt rate than ISU. So this is a dumb criteria, but also, what impact does accpt rate have on how well the school teaches?? If its ssupposed to be a measure for how smart the students are, then avg SAT would be a better proxy.

My second biggest problem is that the opinion piece is also a big factor; see Coach's poll comment above.

What a thread this is.

 

[Gonzo]

'Reputation' is an interesting call. Just curious. Why would you say this? Because it's information is more widespread? Or because it's actually better?
When I first assessed rankings, I first saw U.S. News because it was everywhere. It wasn't until I took the time to dive deeper into the metrics of their analysis that I saw flaws and built in bias.

Most people, and parents, don't. That's why it's viewed as reputable on a wider scale.