Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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You don’t know if there is an upside or what the upside is. None of us do. But to just flat out deny a potential upside is something I hope they don’t teach at MSU business school.
Then feel free to state the upside. You’re right none of us know every detail in that contract but based on what we do no voiding it would be moronic.
 

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Then feel free to state the upside. You’re right none of us know every detail in that contract but based on what we do no voiding it would be moronic.

I’m not a media rights exec or deal maker. But the best deal makers that I’ve known, one of them being my dad (on a much smaller scale) the main thing I’ve learned is that a “good deal” is a good deal, a great deal is a great deal, but what about an even better deal than a great deal? What does that look like?

I’ve never heard my dad say “well that sounds stupid I don’t want to hear about a deal that’s better than a good deal because the good deal is good”.

Especially for a shareholder driven company like Disney this sounds insane to me that they wouldn’t rip up a deal for a better deal.

Is that how it’s going? No clue, only ESPN knows. Guarantee they are constantly looking and doing war-gaming.
 

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I’m not a media rights exec or deal maker. But the best deal makers that I’ve known, one of them being my dad (on a much smaller scale) the main thing I’ve learned is that a “good deal” is a good deal, a great deal is a great deal, but what about an even better deal than a great deal? What does that look like?

I’ve never heard my dad say “well that sounds stupid I don’t want to hear about a deal that’s better than a good deal because the good deal is good”.

Especially for a shareholder driven company like Disney this sounds insane to me that they wouldn’t rip up a deal for a better deal.

Is that how it’s going? No clue, only ESPN knows. Guarantee they are constantly looking and doing war-gaming.
While everything you said sounds like a great philosophical approach, FriendlySpartan was inquiring 'what' deal you can come up with that could support your GOR dissolution approach. Can you hypothesize one for us?
 
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Oh boy. So in your world ESPN would rather cut 20mil of costs (plus ACCN) to lose the rights to 10 other schools in football and basketball? Not sure if you took business classes at ISU but that is a horrific deal. ESPN has the ACC locked in at minimal cost for another decade while sports media costs continue to go up. It would be negligent of ESPN to do the deal you described.

Yes I would strongly consider an SEC only deal based on my Iowa State undergrad, IU Masters and working in Finance for NBC at one time.

Do you really think ESPN values showing Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Ga Tech, Duke, etc. football games?

Plus look at it from ESPN's investment in the SEC. Last year there were 25 ACC games on ABC and ESPN. Don't you think ESPN can get higher ad rates moving those 25 games from the ACC to SEC? The fact that ESPN is paying SEC schools $55M each and ACC schools $17M each- the ad rate multiplier is significantly higher for SEC games.

Increase revenues, decrease costs, maximize SEC brand. Sounds like a good business decision to me.
 

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Yes I would strongly consider an SEC only deal based on my Iowa State undergrad, IU Masters and working in Finance for NBC at one time.

Do you really think ESPN values showing Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Ga Tech, Duke, etc. football games?

Plus look at it from ESPN's investment in the SEC. Last year there were 25 ACC games on ABC and ESPN. Don't you think ESPN can get higher ad rates moving those 25 games from the ACC to SEC? The fact that ESPN is paying SEC schools $55M each and ACC schools $17M each- the ad rate multiplier is significantly higher for SEC games.

Increase revenues, decrease costs, maximize SEC brand. Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Interesting take, but to me it would dilute the effectiveness of the top tier of the SEC and would create an even less impactful ad-rate when those teams have to play the bottom tier. I tend to think any additions would need to increase the ad rate multiplier, but can't wrap my mind around how your idea does it. In the end, the games still need the eyeballs.
 

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Yes I would strongly consider an SEC only deal based on my Iowa State undergrad, IU Masters and working in Finance for NBC at one time.

Do you really think ESPN values showing Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Ga Tech, Duke, etc. football games?

Plus look at it from ESPN's investment in the SEC. Last year there were 25 ACC games on ABC and ESPN. Don't you think ESPN can get higher ad rates moving those 25 games from the ACC to SEC? The fact that ESPN is paying SEC schools $55M each and ACC schools $17M each- the ad rate multiplier is significantly higher for SEC games.

Increase revenues, decrease costs, maximize SEC brand. Sounds like a good business decision to me.
1- No but they also have most of those game populating the ACC Network. Clemson, FSU, Miami, and whoever has the ND scheduling agreement games make up most of the games that actually make it to ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU so the Wake Forest & Duke football claim is mostly a red herring. 26 of their 31 home games on Disney platforms last year involved ND, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, or a noncon game vs the SEC, B1G, or Big 12. Another 3 of the weaker matchups were filler on Thursday or Friday night.

2- They'd get more revenue with the SEC matchups but then again they'd also PAY more which can easily break the ROI and diminish the profit potential for ACCN.

3- No way the move you describe has potential to lower cost for them in aggregate. Slash pay to the remaining schools and watch others bolt to the Big 12 and you lose inventory. I don't think the increased revenue comes close to offsetting.

4- Also your risk assessment cost wise is bad- the SEC goes to market AGAIN before the ACC does. Tack on a bunch more millions to your risk assessment here.
 

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Should the university of Oregon join the big 10?
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Whether or not the University of Oregon should join the Big Ten is a complex question with no easy answer. There are a number of factors to consider, including the potential benefits and drawbacks of such a move for the university, the Pac-12 Conference, and the Big Ten itself.

On the one hand, joining the Big Ten would likely be a financial boon for the University of Oregon. The Big Ten is one of the wealthiest athletic conferences in the country, and its members share in a large pot of media rights revenue. Joining the Big Ten would give Oregon a share of that revenue, which could be used to improve its athletic facilities, fund scholarships, and support other academic programs.

In addition, joining the Big Ten would give Oregon a chance to compete against some of the best teams in the country on a regular basis. The Big Ten is home to some of the most storied college football programs in the country, such as Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Playing against these teams would help Oregon raise its profile and attract top recruits.

However, there are also some potential drawbacks to joining the Big Ten. One concern is that it would weaken the Pac-12 Conference. If Oregon and Washington were to leave the Pac-12, it would leave the conference with only 10 teams. This would make it more difficult for the Pac-12 to schedule games and could lead to a decline in its overall competitiveness.

Another concern is that joining the Big Ten would mean playing more games in the Midwest. Oregon is located in the Pacific Northwest, and its fans are accustomed to warm weather and early starts. Playing games in the Midwest, where the weather is often cold and the games start much later, could make it difficult for Oregon to maintain its fan base.

Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to join the Big Ten is a difficult one for the University of Oregon. There are a number of factors to consider, and there is no easy answer
 

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Is Iowa State University a good school?

Iowa State University is a great school for students who are looking for a high-quality education in a supportive environment. It is also a great school for students who are interested in research and innovation
 

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And yet people at Florida State seem to think they can get out of it. Or has been reported too at any rate.
No they don’t. They have said they might be able to pay a “hypothetical” exit fee of 120mil that has nothing to do with the GOR. FSU has mad a bunch of angry noises but hasn’t actually done anything.
 

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And yet people at Florida State seem to think they can get out of it. Or has been reported too at any rate.
Link please. I've heard they want to get out, and will try to get out........ but I've never seen anyone say they actually thought they could get out.
 
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No they don’t. They have said they might be able to pay a “hypothetical” exit fee of 120mil that has nothing to do with the GOR. FSU has mad a bunch of angry noises but hasn’t actually done anything.

So all that question asking and hypotheticals being disscused were just exercises in thought? Sure seem to be pretty specific questions being asked just for the hell of it.
 
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Gorm

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Link please. I've heard they want to get out, and will try to get out........ but I've never seen anyone say they actually thought they could get out.

Careful, people tend to get triggered when others don't Google things around here.

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That is one hell of a quote for someone who isn't thinking about breaking a GOR.
 

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Careful, people tend to get triggered when others don't Google things around here.

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That is one hell of a quote for someone who isn't thinking about breaking a GOR.
Just because someone is upset with their current predicament doesn’t mean they have the power to change it.

I’m not dating Sydney Sweeny “something has to change”.
 
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Gorm

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So why haven’t they? Why haven’t they even started trying?

It has already been pointed out that things do not move quickly. Right now, we only know what has been said publicly. Mostly due to Florida's excellent Sunshine laws.

Pretty tough to argue there hasn't been smoke around the idea. Fire might be forthcoming, and it might not. Time will tell.
 

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