RECRUITING: Isheem Young signs

isu81

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It's a huge risk because he's a convicted felon. If this goes bad it opens a huge negative recruiting door that could hurt future classes.

Answer me this, if he had signed with Iowa would this board let it slide?

No, obviously. I think they'd also feel differently if their son/daughter was the one working at the convenience store having a gun pointed at them.

This board loves to trash on Nebraska and other teams for recruiting kids who did a lot less than hold up a convenience store at gunpoint. I think the comments in these two articles really hit home with regard to the issues. He caught a break, at least in part because of his athletic ability and how that could help brighten his potential future. He was facing 40+ years in prison.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatef...hes-set-for-west-virginia-official-visit.html

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/05/penn_state_isheem_young_decert.html
 
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From Jared's article:

"Young committed to West Virginia during this cycle, but Dana Holgorsen’s departure for Houston and Iowa State’s addition of former Mountaineers defensive backs coach Matt Caponi opened the door for the Cyclones to add the nation’s No. 30 safety and No. 383 recruit overall."

I don't think that's correct unless someone can provide a source that committed to WVU. None of the recruiting sites list WVU as a public commitment, only Penn State.

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Dude has major character issues. Robbed a gas station at gun point last year. Was going to get 45 years and got it knocked down since he was 17 at the time.

Great, great player but his very recent past is concerning.

I spent a few years here in Iowa representing juvenile delinquents, so I'm going to go ahead and chime in here. I represented a ton of kids in this age range who committed similar crimes. The vast majority of them were not bad kids by any means. They were dumb kids. They were influenced by other dumb kids and often time adults who knew their juvenile status would keep them out of "big trouble". They lacked the guidance and structure needed to keep them from doing something dumb like this. Capable kids that need a firm push in the right direction.

The other thing I know is that if you commit a crime like this, even if you are adjudicated as a delinquent rather than an adult, you are going to have to walk the complete straight-and-narrow for sometime after. The restrictions the Court placed on many of my clients were too much for them to handle. Going to school, getting good grades, community service, etc. It really does take a commitment to doing things the right way in the school and in the community to avoid further discipline from the Court. So if this kid has stayed off the Court's radar since December 2017 that says something about him learning from this.

The entire point of juvenile court is to rehabilitate. It is not meant to be punitive. So hopefully the Court served its purpose and gave this kid what he needs to be a successful student and member of society. With this past does he warrant extra supervision? Sure. But if he's made it this far with the Court's oversight I think he must be on a good path.
 
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I think it's telling that the State prosecution went out of their way to indicate the kid was coerced by the other 2 guys (one being his older brother). Obviously the State didn't feel he was a full participant in the robbery and acted accordingly.

Obvious still a very stupid thing to do on his part but it sound like a kid worth taking a chance on.
 

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It's a huge risk because he's a convicted felon. If this goes bad it opens a huge negative recruiting door that could hurt future classes.

Answer me this, if he had signed with Iowa would this board let it slide?

Negative recruiting is going to happen regardless of the situation. It's a risk, but seeing that Campbell has a relationship with Young for a long time makes me feel better. He's proven that he's not afraid to discipline players if needed. And, honestly, Ames is a pretty good place for some of these kids to stay away from the troubles of their youth.

As far as your last statement, of course not. But, let them talk. Them being concerned with us is a good thing. Besides, **** Iowa.
 

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I spent a few years here in Iowa representing juvenile delinquents, so I'm going to go ahead and chime in here. I represented a ton of kids in this age range who committed similar crimes. The vast majority of them were not bad kids by any means. They were dumb kids. They were influenced by other dumb kids and often time adults who knew their juvenile status would keep them out of "big trouble". They lacked the guidance and structure needed to keep them from doing something dumb like this. Capable kids that need a firm push in the right direction.

The other thing I know is that if you commit a crime like this, even if you are adjudicated as a delinquent rather than an adult, you are going to have to walk the complete straight-and-narrow for sometime after. The restrictions the Court placed on many of my clients were too much for them to handle. Going to school, getting good grades, community service, etc. It really does take a commitment to doing things the right way in the school and in the community to avoid further discipline from the Court. So if this kid has stayed off the Court's radar since December 2017 that says something about him learning from this.

The entire point of juvenile court is to rehabilitate. It is not meant to be punitive. So hopefully the Court served its purpose and gave this kid what he needs to be a successful student and member of society. With this past he does he warrant extra supervision? Sure. But if he's made it this far with the Court's oversight I think he must be on a good path.

Unfortunately, the masses tend to want punitive, and that's what we have right now. One mistake can follow people for years or even decades, and severely lower the chances that they can walk on the straight and narrow.
 
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This guy held up a convenience store his senior year in high school after committing to Penn State. He is their version of Sam Mack. I’m not really a fan of this pickup by Campbell. He’s built his program on character and I’m sure he has set a pretty high standard for Isheem to meet, but it feels too risky for the culture he is building.

Read all the stories about this incident. I believe even the prosecutors were advocating for the kid.

We've all made mistakes and many, many of us have never had to be held accountable or at least our mis-steps didn't end up in the newspaper.

I completely trust CMC to bring in ONLY high character kids (high character doesn't mean perfect - it means accepting the consequences of one's actions and growing through the process) that play great football. I think the first part is just as important to CMC and this university as the last part.
 

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No, obviously. I think they'd also feel differently if their son/daughter was the one working at the convenience store having a gun pointed at them.

This board loves to trash on Nebraska and other teams for recruiting kids who did a lot less than hold up a convenience store at gunpoint. I think the comments in these two articles really hit home with regard to the issues. He caught a break, at least in part because of his athletic ability and how that could help brighten his potential future. He was facing 40+ years in prison.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatef...hes-set-for-west-virginia-official-visit.html

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/05/penn_state_isheem_young_decert.html

"Caught a break?" He was a juvenile. Our legal system does not treat juveniles the same as adults.
 
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I don't see it that way. Campbell is fully aware of his history and giving him a chance to prove him self at ISU. If there is some issue that arises we know that Cambell will act and discipline or dismiss him.

I don't think CMC taking Jacob Park has hurt ISU recruitment of QB's. Parks history was very checkered and obviously ended poorly. If it doesn't work out it wont hurt recruiting. In fact, it can help recruiting by showing talented players with a history can get a chance but to full fill their potential they need to live up to the commitment.

Not to say his prior issues/de-commitments shouldn't be discussed but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust Cambell that he vetted and trusted him.
I will judge Young from the day he signs with ISU through his career, his history is just that.
Completely agree here. I think that the most important part of this whole situation isn't necessarily what the kid did, although it's not good, but how consistent our leadership handles the situation. We haven't seen Campbell bend on his expectations, nor be scared to discipline or remove people from the team. If you have consistent expectations, and hold yourself accountable to maintaining those standards and expectations, tanking a kid with an issue like this is easy. If he messes up he's gone, it's pretty simple..
 

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It's a huge risk because he's a convicted felon. If this goes bad it opens a huge negative recruiting door that could hurt future classes.

Answer me this, if he had signed with Iowa would this board let it slide?

This board of anonymous chatboard posters who range in age from 12-75 numbering in double digits? Their program should care every bit about what this board thinks as we care about their anonymous chat board posters numbering in double digits thinks.
 
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"Caught a break?" He was a juvenile. Our legal system does not treat juveniles the same as adults.
The law specifically called for him to be tried as an adult because he was carrying a lethal weapon.
 
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