REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[SpokaneCY]

Then you haven't been paying attention to the national writers sharing his "work" on Twitter and patting him on the back.

Should you read some of those (never made it ESPN from what i could see) nobody merely cut and pasted the article - they added the extra color of JP's and Fred's rebuttal.

This only hurt Hines and the butt-hurt donors former assistant coaches.

And I think the entire article has been proven false simply because the 2 or 3 allegations supporting the article have been shown wrong. I would think if the facts making your point are wrong then your point is wrong or at least not believable but by the few.

 

[aauummm]

Some, but not to the degree you obviously think or desire. I highly doubt there will be a significant loss in revenue from this.

I think you've overstated Fred Hoiberg's importance to some degree. After all, he did choose to leave ISU...and based on your theory, he did so without turmoil...so not sure why you've deified him like you have. Unless you can state the contrary, you don't know what fact checking was done and by whom. In some regards, your rebuttal of what was written is no better than the piece itself.

"Proven false" isn't accurate. If what Hines wrote was the echo of his "sources" and their perceptions, it was true to Hines and therefore can't be proven false unless those same sources refute their own statements. That he may have corroborated those perceptions with others and found the same result, only adds to his determination that they were accurate. Whether those people were lying, we don't know...but I think, in the off chance they were telling the truth, that Fred and Jamie would deny such allegations because it REALLY DOESN'T MATTER NOW. And THAT is what I think is important.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because #1-i think you're taking this waaaay too seriously and are embellishing what you feel will happen because you WANT certain things to happen and #2-you don't have any idea what was done prior to this story being released. You're making assumptions in a similar fashion that your're alleging Hines to have made...

So you're a mind reader now and know what I want or desire?

Fred's not The Mayor of Ames, hmmm? Good luck with that one.

When I have public statements from Leath, Jamie, Fred, Doc Sadler, and well written articles from the Iowa State Daily and the DM Register (amazingly) I think that's proof enough for me.

I think that you would find the situation still important if the article was written about you.

I'm taking the situation way too seriously? And Travis Hines didn't? Travis obviously took it hugely seriously. I think I'm entitled to my reaction to his story and methodology. Even you must take it seriously or you wouldn't have gone to all of the effort to write your posts.

 

[carvers4math]

Should you read some of those (never made it ESPN from what i could see) nobody merely cut and pasted the article - they added the extra color of JP's and Fred's rebuttal.

This only hurt Hines and the butt-hurt donors former assistant coaches.

And I think the entire article has been proven false simply because the 2 or 3 allegations supporting the article have been shown wrong. I would think if the facts making your point are wrong then your point is wrong or at least not believable but by the few.

About the only thing I know for sure out of the whole mess is that Hines has no credibility with me any more so I find no point in paying any attention to him going forward.

 

[Gossamer]

About the only thing I know for sure out of the whole mess is that Hines has no credibility with me any more so I find no point in paying any attention to him going forward.

and THIS is where he suffers...in his readership. That should make auuuuummmm happy.

 

[aauummm]

and THIS is where he suffers...in his readership. That should make auuuuummmm happy.

Not necessarily so. I would have been happier if he hadn't written it, for his own sake and for ISU's sake. I do believe that there are consequences to actions and there are responsibilities to be assumed when taking actions. That's certainly true in my life as well as yours and for all of us. In this case Travis will have to take responsibility for his story, admit the shakiness of it and then also take the consequences.

 

[bosco]

About the only thing I know for sure out of the whole mess is that Hines has no credibility with me any more so I find no point in paying any attention to him going forward.

I don't blame Hines. Clearly people with an agenda used him to get their narrative out. The question now remains is what if Fred was one of the unnamed sources.

 

[cyclonenation5]

I don't blame Hines. Clearly people with an agenda used him to get their narrative out. The question now remains is what if Fred was one of the unnamed sources.

I think you're the only one asking that question...

 

[Spam]

I don't blame Hines. Clearly people with an agenda used him to get their narrative out. The question now remains is what if Fred was one of the unnamed sources.

Because Hines' secret agreement with Fred was for Fred to embarrass Hines

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I don't blame Hines. Clearly people with an agenda used him to get their narrative out. The question now remains is what if Fred was one of the unnamed sources.

You don't blame the guy that actually wrote the article and printed it? Yeah, it wasn't his fault. You're right.

I seriously don't understand the Travis Hines loyalty club. There are a few of you on here. Are you all family members?

 

[SpokaneCY]

I don't blame Hines. Clearly people with an agenda used him to get their narrative out. The question now remains is what if Fred was one of the unnamed sources.

I kinda do... Mostly for apparently NOT doing the fundamental research one should need to publish this kind of article outside of National Enquirer. We all can make mistakes but most of us can't be incompetent at our jobs for the "important" stuff.

 

[VeloClone]

Who Iowa State paid for to go to San Antonio was determined based on the FOI act. That was probably the delay. Without that, everything is speculation.

4-5 months? Highly unlikely. I have prepared FOI request responses. The act is very clear in that you have 20 business days from the date your organization receives the written request and an additional up to 10 days if it is not received by the organization's department that will be responding to the request. That is 30 business days max or about a month and a half. An organization can notify the requester of a delay if they have a legitimate reason such as a very high volume or complex request or they need to get information from another organization to complete the request. Neither of which would apply in this simple and mundane request.

Regardless, this would hardly be the cause of a 4-5 month timeline for working on this crap story.

 

[bosco]

I disagree with you there - in fact I wouldn't expect Fred to actually admit it if there was any friction between him and Pollard or if that played any part in his leaving. The tone changed pretty quick once people had a few minutes to digest the article and once Pollard went on and directly cut down the main allegations (hotel room, flights for families, and tickets for assistants) the damage was done. Fred's comments certainly helped but they were just the icing on top. The story was already dead in the water before he went on.

Can't argue about it now because it's all hypothetical but I think we'd still be here discussing Pollard's hand in Fred leaving if Fred didn't say anything. Fred's interview on the radio pretty much sealed any doubt in that.

I want to know is why TH didn't foresee Fred refuting that notion. Because it was pretty huge blow to the article when the 2 main players in the article came out with such a strong dismissal. Maybe he didn't expect that an unnamed source would refute their own testimony?

 

[bosco]

You don't blame the guy that actually wrote the article and printed it? Yeah, it wasn't his fault. You're right.

I seriously don't understand the Travis Hines loyalty club. There are a few of you on here. Are you all family members?

I don't blame him because he was being used. Perhaps feel sorry for is better put.

 

[Gossamer]

You don't blame the guy that actually wrote the article and printed it? Yeah, it wasn't his fault. You're right.

I seriously don't understand the Travis Hines loyalty club. There are a few of you on here. Are you all family members?

I blame he and the editor who decided to print it...but I only blame them for publishing what "appears" to be a ****** story. They must have believed it to be otherwise.

I don't know Travis and am not really concerned about his career, etc. But the entire thing isn't on him alone. Someone helped support what he wrote and the decision to print it.

 

[Jer]

I thought the same exact thing, Jeremy.

So what do you think happens with JP? Does he have any hot seat, either coming directly from Leath, or indirectly from angry donors?

Do you think this Hines story goes away soon, or will more stories with more concrete details end up coming out that could make JP look worse?

Speaking to your posts about JP handling another FB coaching search, do you think CPR is gone with the likelihood of 2 more wins this season?

I have never thought JP's hind-end was getting warm, there really is no reason for it to get warm, yet. There are no scandals, money is still flowing in at acceptable levels, and the overall standing of the AD is good. Now, with that said, the next 12 months could change things drastically in either direction once the dust settles from a new MBB regime and the results of this FB season become reality.

To me, much of JP's future rests on how exactly he handles the ramifications of this football season (good or bad) and how a possible coaching search goes, if there is one. The other thing to keep in mind is that donors control a lot more than people like to believe. Ultimately, how they perceive FB related decisions will drive if they support JP sticking around long-term.

 

[Jer]

I absolutely blame Hines. I understand he was being used, but the guy has the responsibility to verify what he's told, regardless of how many people say something. The things he wrote would have taken very, very little effort to confirm with concrete info. To say he shouldn't carry some of the blame, is forgetting the first and second priority of writing an "expose".

 

[marothisu]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. BUT I do see there's chatter that he didn't verify stuff huh? That's lazy journalism.

 

[Dandy]

It could be worse, you guys.

@YahooForde: Y exclusive: Louisville investigating allegations in new book that former basketball staffer paid escorts to have sex with players, recruits

 

[carvers4math]

It could be worse, you guys.

@YahooForde: Y exclusive: Louisville investigating allegations in new book that former basketball staffer paid escorts to have sex with players, recruits

But who paid the taxes?

Maybe a "thrifty" department isn't so bad.

 

[Dryburn]

I think the total blame for this is on Hines. He did not bother to check out the facts, or research and write about both sides of the story. If there were some who were just trying to further their agenda by using him, then he needs to get a lot smarter so that does not happen.

He wrote a sensationalized story based on few facts, and anonymous "sources". Whatever Fred and JP might have told him he chose to ignore and went with an un-verified, one-sided story that was refuted by the principal NAMED parties.

To me he looks like a fool as a journalist, and I most definitely will not trust anything he writes again unless it can be cross-checked. He has no credibility left, imho. None.