REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[BodeClone]

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I'll say it once and I'll say it again. This change had NOTHING to do with costs. I believe Fred loves this school and he wants the best for the program. After last season, 2 things happened. Fred found an opportunity in Chicago as the NBA has been an opportunity that always excited him. And also he bravely, rightfully, and intelligently left because he wasn't sure he could take us to the next level and was hopeful Jamie could find somebody to take us to the next step. I don't know if Jamie was planning on moving on from Fred after last season, but it didn't have to do with costs. Jamie Pollard spends his money wisely, but I can promise you he is not a cheap man. Now if Fred wanted a raise, that's a different story, but I've heard no reports Fred wanted a new deal. I'm not sure if Fred and Jamie go double dating together, but I am sure they don't hate each other.

 

[CyFan61]

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[SpokaneCY]

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The players had to take a red-eye flight?!

FIRE EVERYONE!!!

Let's be rational here. The only substance in this article (beyond claims from unnamed sources): is that the players took a red-eye flight. This is click bait. A hotel at the Ritz that night wouldn't have kept Hoiberg in Ames. JP deserves better than to be thrown under the bus for this one-time event that Hines is trying to spin into a story.

I don't know of anyone who would purposely book another night in a hotel room just to wait a few hours for a late afternoon flight.

 

[Rabbuk]

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Bode you couldn't be any more wrong.

 

[CyFan61]

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JP explained this pretty clearly on Murph and Andy. It is true, but very misleading.

JP said each coach got to pick either Diamond Head tournament in Hawaii or first round of the NCAA's. Definitely misleading in the article. I think Hines got played by somebody.

 

[3TrueFans]

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Bode you couldn't be any more wrong.

Sounds like a challenge.

 

[TXCyclones]

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I 100% believe Hines gets 50% of the story right 10% of the time!

 

[BodeClone]

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With Rose acting like a punk and getting injured in addition to this report, I feel bad for

 

[Cydkar]

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I'm not assuming JP is 100% innocent like his nut huggers are.

Name calling puts everyone in your corner. Solid move.

 

[Rabbuk]

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Nothing says professionalism like an AD using twitter to address issues.

 

[TurbulentEddie]

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JP said each coach got to pick either Diamond Head tournament in Hawaii or first round of the NCAA's. Definitely misleading in the article. I think Hines got played by somebody.

Thanks.

 

[BodeClone]

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Bode you couldn't be any more wrong.

You aren't intelligent enough to read my post in one minute.

 

[SpokaneCY]

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Really liked Pollard going on KXNO. Plenty of ADs would have had no comment other than to issue a polished statement from behind closed doors. JP just picked up the phone and had nothing to hide. I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm starting to think also that Hines may have said "close to double-digit sources" instead of listing a number because it's obvious Pollard already knows who most if not all of the sources were and Hines was allowing them a little plausible deniability this way. CW or somebody should try to get a (non-anonymous) comment from Cornell Mann on this story...

The worst thing about this story - even if the animosity is true - is the falsehoods that recruits and others will read. "ISU made players sleep on the floor of a ballroom" has been tweeted by major media figures while the reality is that check-out time was noon and the flight was at 6:00 so the players had time to kill, maybe by napping in the ballroom. Completely different situation but 99% of those who saw the first phrase will not see the second.

One would think after a tour of the practice facility the other charges are bunk. I won't pay a few thousand but WILL build your personal practice facility.

 

[isufbcurt]

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Hines did do some fact checking... "Twelve family members of the men’s basketball staff were to be charged for traveling to San Antonio with the team while 12 members of multiple athletic administrators’ families were to be paid for by ISU, according to a document obtained through an open records requests."

Hard to argue with an actual document from the department itself...

But you need to know the whole context, for example the story is this:

Hoiberg asked if the family members could all be allowed to travel to Hawaii with the AD paying for it (this is not usually allowed). This was approved with the condition that if the team made the NCAA tournament the families would have to pay for themselves. Hoiberg said it was a good trade off and agreed with it. This is all in the interview with JP and JP even had the approval document for the Hawaii travel request.

 

[baagoe]

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Bode you couldn't be any more wrong.

What's new

 

[3TrueFans]

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I'll say it once and I'll say it again. This change had NOTHING to do with costs. I believe Fred loves this school and he wants the best for the program. After last season, 2 things happened. Fred found an opportunity in Chicago as the NBA has been an opportunity that always excited him. And also he bravely, rightfully, and intelligently left because he wasn't sure he could take us to the next level and was hopeful Jamie could find somebody to take us to the next step. I don't know if Jamie was planning on moving on from Fred after last season, but it didn't have to do with costs. Jamie Pollard spends his money wisely, but I can promise you he is not a cheap man. Now if Fred wanted a raise, that's a different story, but I've heard no reports Fred wanted a new deal. I'm not sure if Fred and Jamie go double dating together, but I am sure they don't hate each other.

Do you actively try to make each post dumber than your last or is it just a coincidence?

 

[Incyte]

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Hines did do some fact checking... "Twelve family members of the men’s basketball staff were to be charged for traveling to San Antonio with the team while 12 members of multiple athletic administrators’ families were to be paid for by ISU, according to a document obtained through an open records requests."

Hard to argue with an actual document from the department itself...

JP and Fred agree to pay for the families to go to another earlier game in exchange for paying their way for the NCAA tourney game. LISTEN TO THE PODCAST.

 

[IAStubborn]

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The hotel thing seems to be overblown. Sounds like the team had to hang out in a room until their flights left and decided to sleep. I don't know what the time difference is between here and Hawaii, but I'm sure they were suffering from jet lag. I think the only thing I would want to know is if the team had a choice to go out and do something before their flight that day or if they were forced to do nothing.

For the tickets, I would think that the coaches families should get tickets, but outside of them probably not. Not sure what the industry norm is. I would also be curious if when everyone was getting tickets, how many of those would actually be used by the family, or sold to others. If they were being sold to others, then I agree with taking them away.

As far as the money Hoiberg was making, it sounds like there was an impasse between the donors wanting a long term commitment and Hoiberg not giving it.

As others have said, we don't have piles of cash that UK or KU have to completely spoil their team (special dorms, chartered flights everywhere, etc.). So things have to be kept in a budget, thought it'd be nice if we could.

I think the comparison between Fred leaving and Cael leaving are different. I think with Fred, we were willing to pay to keep him, due to the donors willing to give the money, but not receiving the long term commitment. For Cael, I remember the reason he left was that he wanted a dedicated/new facility for his team to practice in, something that PSU gave him (not sure how much was due to JP). At the time, we were operating on a budget of around $40 million and were focused on spending more resources on our revenue sports as opposed to non-revenue sports. For Cael leaving, I don't think there was much room to negotiate.

JP didn't even want to broach the issue with Fred and more money. He didn't even want to pay him the back loaded contract he had before he left.

 

[baagoe]

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With Rose acting like a punk and getting injured in addition to this report, I feel bad for Fred. These last few days must have s*ck*d.

Lol did you really just censor the word sucked?

 

[laminak]

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I don't know of anyone who would purposely book another night in a hotel room just to wait a few hours for a late afternoon flight.

My wife and I had two late flights out of Hawaii, one inter-island and the other back home, a redeye flight. We checked out at normal time, left our luggage at the hotel, and still saw sites, the beach, town, etc. It was really no big deal.