Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[cytor]

The Pac 12 has no interest in losing its sexy football schools to the B1G. The Pac 12 wants to expand.. they need the central time zone. I have a hard time imagining USC playing at tOSU at 11:00 am. Anyone in LA going to watch that at 9:00 am their time? BTW, Colo has zero interest in the B1G. The Pac 12 has a golden opportunity here with the vulnerable Angry 8.

In the end, I still think that in college sports keeping things regional is best for the fans and the games. Rivalries are awesome for the fans, storylines, ticket sales, etc. It's seriously hard to imagine creating a real rivalry with schools that are several time zones away. We know ISU and Hoks rivalry. Imagine ISU/Minn? ISU/WISC? ISU/ILL? ISU and KU are by far best fitted for the B1G. Not to mention the fun that fans can have making reasonable road trips to follow ISU.

This really sucks that we have a really good football team to watch in less than a month, and all our focus got shifted to this narrative. Let's go kick some butt and prove our worth!!!

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

The Pac 12 has no interest in losing its sexy football schools to the B1G. The Pac 12 wants to expand.. they need the central time zone. I have a hard time imagining USC playing at tOSU at 11:00 am. Anyone in LA going to watch that at 9:00 am their time? BTW, Colo has zero interest in the B1G. The Pac 12 has a golden opportunity here with the vulnerable Angry 8.

In the end, I still think that in college sports keeping things regional is best for the fans and the games. Rivalries are awesome for the fans, storylines, ticket sales, etc. It's seriously hard to imagine creating a real rivalry with schools that are several time zones away. We know ISU and Hoks rivalry. Imagine ISU/Minn? ISU/WISC? ISU/ILL? ISU and KU are by far best fitted for the B1G. Not to mention the fun that fans can have making reasonable road trips to follow ISU.

This really sucks that we have a really good football team to watch in less than a month, and all our focus got shifted to this narrative. Let's go kick some butt and prove our worth!!!

Do you think they'd rather watch USC vs Ohio State or vs Iowa State at 9am?

 

[BCClone]

Do you think they'd rather watch USC vs Ohio State or vs Iowa State at 9am?

I think the cross games will be more of a 2-3 PM kick no matter who is involved. Maybe 5/7 pM for later ones. I’m talking Central times here. Those times would be ones familiar with both.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

KU to UNC/Duke/Cuse is 2.5hrs flight time.

KU to USC/UCLA is 3hrs flight time. Eugene, Corvallis and Seattle are 3.5hrs.

Distance between schools only matters if they drive and they aren't driving for football or MBB.

True they are flying, but they are also on average about 500 miles further. They end up either way being like WV out on an island all by themselves, with no other conference schools around them for relatively short trips.

You also have to think of your fans, how many games do you play that are drivable for them, look at ISU, its one thing to fly out to Vegas like many of us are planning once a year, but try doing it multiple times with multiple sports and it becomes not only costly but a pain in the rear.

 

[DarkStar]

Just incase this little gem didn't get posted.

Brutal takedown of Texa$

 

[IComeInPiece]

Isn't UT and OU still required to pay their penalty for negotiating with the SEC and not notifying the conference in the required 12 hours? I can't remember the penalty, but that's significant.

The short answer is 'no'. The withdrawal buyout is two years of payouts. The other members may consider a member as 'withdrawn' if another conference reached out to a member to try to convince them to leave the Big12 and they didn't report it.

The only 'penalties' are if a member tries to leave before the GOR is up or tries to challenge the buyout. In that case the penalties are the damages incurred by the other members (like the amount of revenue lost if Fox tries to lower the payouts on the current deal if Texas/OU leave early).

At this point Texas and OU have been very clear that they intend to finish out the GOR. Hartzell made clear in his testimony in front of the Texas Senate that Texas reached out to the SEC (not the other way around) and thus were under no obligation to report it to the Big12.

Texas could decide to try and negotiate an early exit, and the Big12 could refuse, but Texas always has the nuclear option to use Sovereign Immunity to insulate themselves from any lawsuits and damages. I don't think anyone wants to go that route (except maybe Texas Tech).

 

[surly]

TxT is experiencing a bit of karma in all this having been the school that joined Texas and OU in vetoing B12 expansion back in 2014.

A B12/P12 alignment would bring some great football and hoops matchups. One of the better games I ever witnessed was USC at K-State and the rematch 9/11 weekend in their Coliseum. And imagine getting UCLA in Hilton Magic?

 

[norcalcy]

I think the cross games will be more of a 2-3 PM kick no matter who is involved. Maybe 5/7 pM for later ones. I’m talking Central times here. Those times would be ones familiar with both.

Bingo. This has to be the heart of the discussion. An alliance with the west coast would allow ISU to revert to more 2 pm (local time) kickoffs, noon out west. If ISU goes west, and the locals have a noon kickoff, our guys can sleep in a bit. It's not written in stone that college games exist in the current ESPN windows. People hate 11 am kickoffs so let's get rid of them. The NFL teams from the Pacific time zone struggle going east. That's because the NFL is locked into specific Sunday windows. PAC/Big XII alliance would have no such limitations. Screw ESPN. Let's get creative and put on some good games on an alternative platform. If it's the PAC XII Network, I'll pay for it.

 

[surly]

I hope every Texas and OU game this year is put in the 11 AM slot by Fox.

 

[cycfan1]

TxT is experiencing a bit of karma in all this having been the school that joined Texas and OU in vetoing B12 expansion back in 2014.

A B12/P12 alignment would bring some great football and hoops matchups. One of the better games I ever witnessed was USC at K-State and the rematch 9/11 weekend in their Coliseum. And imagine getting UCLA in Hilton Magic?

Expanding in 2014 would have done nothing in strengthening the conference long term, and would have 2 more participants at the table now looking for a new home.

 

[surly]

Expanding in 2014 would have done nothing in strengthening the conference long term, and would have 2 more participants at the table now looking for a new home.

See my signature line below ...

 

[CyRann22]

SEC expansion: 'Predatory' moves 'unify' others, Pac-12 assesses plans (mercurynews.com)

 

[Cyclonepride]

SEC expansion: 'Predatory' moves 'unify' others, Pac-12 assesses plans (mercurynews.com)

I like the comment about unifying other conferences, and working together. That may help balance decisions between purely revenue considerations, and the health of the overall game.

 

[Yaz]

SEC expansion: 'Predatory' moves 'unify' others, Pac-12 assesses plans (mercurynews.com)

This is really good for ISU and perhaps others in the Big 12 and other NON SEC schools.

I am in hopes that the Big 12 value, specifically ISU and some of the other members, is valued for the REALLY BAD time zones the PAC 12 has...we offer a clean solution to that major problem. I would bet this is our biggest draw to the PAC 12. What is the $ value of that I have no idea, but it is worth a lot. However, be prepared to keep hearing we are not worthy because who walks into a dealership and says, I'll give you more than you're asking. No, you say that they have it priced too high and you point out the negatives/obstacles. By their comment on fit, I would guess they do not want Baylor or TCU if they are looking at the Big 12.

 

[theshadow]

Bingo. This has to be the heart of the discussion. An alliance with the west coast would allow ISU to revert to more 2 pm (local time) kickoffs, noon out west. If ISU goes west, and the locals have a noon kickoff, our guys can sleep in a bit. It's not written in stone that college games exist in the current ESPN windows. People hate 11 am kickoffs so let's get rid of them.

More "inventory" = more games that have to find a broadcast window.

4 games on one network in a day means starting no later than noon ET/11:00 CT. That's pretty standard, not just an ESPN thing.

For tripleheaders, Fox has used an 11:00 (CT)/3:00/7:00 format at times in order to have a buffer.

 

[20eyes]

I like the comment about unifying other conferences, and working together. That may help balance decisions between purely revenue considerations, and the health of the overall game.

It's a nice sentiment but even before stuff started to happen that I dislike (like the playoff or NIL) CFB was in an arms race. A reconstituted B12 (as a example) that makes noticeably less money just isn't of any value for ISU. If, by "working together", they mean finding homes for the Big 8 outside the Big 12 that's great. But IDGAF about the health of CFB if ISU isn't at the P2/3/4 table. Burn it down.

 

[surly]

SEC expansion: 'Predatory' moves 'unify' others, Pac-12 assesses plans (mercurynews.com)

Kirk might be a strong voice for a P12/B12 alliance. He's a smart guy and likes to go big, damn the torpedoes style.

 

[Cyclonepride]

It's a nice sentiment but even before stuff started to happen that I dislike (like the playoff or NIL) CFB was in an arms race. A reconstituted B12 (as a example) that makes noticeably less money just isn't of any value for ISU. If, by "working together", they mean finding homes for the Big 8 outside the Big 12 that's great. But IDGAF about the health of CFB if ISU isn't at the P2/3/4 table. Burn it down.

Well, my point was that conferences working together might mean a better landing spot for ISU. Some of the possibilities going forward could do real harm to everyone in college sports, and I think they're finally realizing that.

There really isn't a move that any conference could make that would set them up as "the" rival to the SEC now, so circling the wagons and presenting a unified balancing force might be their only hope of holding on to some form of relevance, because further expansion of the SEC represents completely toppling the existing order, and most outside stand to lose if that happens.

 

[norcalcy]

More "inventory" = more games that have to find a broadcast window.

4 games on one network in a day means starting no later than noon ET/11:00 CT. That's pretty standard, not just an ESPN thing.

For tripleheaders, Fox has used an 11:00 (CT)/3:00/7:00 format at times in order to have a buffer.

I hear you. But who determines the broadcast window? The PAC doesn't want a bunch of 9 am PT kickoffs. A whole bunch of their inventory currently gets shifted into PAC XII after dark. Cute marketing for ESPN, but isn't doing much for them. I'm just spit balling here, but an alliance might be better served with a three game window with some split regional action. Or, if the scheduling can be worked out, the current Central Time Zone vs Central Time Zone games could fill the early window on a re-vamped PAC XII Network brought to you by Apple TV or Amazon.

 

[MartyFine]