RIP, Veishea

[WooBadger18]

What the real question is: what did Angie put in the cake or frosting??

Probably just tons of suger. This also explains why so many toys are getting broken. The kids are just hyperactive from the suger

 

[cowgirl836]

Easier said than done. Do you think these onlookers all have fish-like schooling instincts, where they can collectively sense a riot going on and just move, en masse away from it? Have you ever been in a crowded, confined area and tried to exit rapidly? Do you think everyone present wanted to be there and wasn't making any attempt to leave?

Saying that everyone present is at fault is casting a very wide net. I've been in Campustown during VEISHEA during non-riot years, and it's sometimes so crowded that I probably wouldn't even know if there was a riot happening, especially when you factor impaired judgment into the equation.

didn't they also say the bars/businesses asked people to leave and were then not letting anyone in? Completely understandable in their case, but probably made it a bit harder for people who wanted to leave or were not involved in the first place (sitting inside at a bar) to quickly get out of the area.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

sucks. What I'll miss is some of good entertainment acts that I saw in past years (Dew the Rec brought some good comedians including Jay Mohr) and all the acts put on at the MU (hypnotists, magicians etc).

 

[Cycl1]

My first year of veishea was a great year. Some parts were a little rowdy, (nappy roots)n but other than that it was was a great way to showcase iowa state. After that they started implementing crowd control measures at the concerts, requiring bracelets. I didn't know which friends could make it up for the weekend, so when they did come we hung out and drank instead of going to no longer free concerts. That and crap weather really drove the whole thing down hill.

 

[cowgirl836]

My first year of veishea was a great year. Some parts were a little rowdy, (nappy roots)n but other than that it was was a great way to showcase iowa state. After that they started implementing crowd control measures at the concerts, requiring bracelets. I didn't know which friends could make it up for the weekend, so when they did come we hung out and drank instead of going to no longer free concerts. That and crap weather really drove the whole thing down hill.

hey stranger! You should wander to the random thread.

The year it snowed was the worst. So. Cold.

 

[WrestlerJJE]

hey stranger! You should wander to the random thread.

The year it snowed was the worst. So. Cold.

Thats an understatement!

 

[cycloneworld]

What about when her friends come over for a birthday party and 2 friends break the toy and the other 18 friends are acting normally? Do you kick out the two breaking toys or do you cancel all future birthday parties? That's a more accurate analogy.

If repeated problems like a murder, riots, property damage, and injuries continued to happen at these birthday parties, at some point don't you have to stop having them?

 

[RubyClone]

You know - I change my previous 50-75 and say more like hundreds, even 1000+. Sure most of this is, in and of itself, harmless. Chanting in the middle of an intersection, running down the middle of a street. Who of us hasn't done that? /sarcasm

But this video is enough to suggest why it needed to be cancelled. The police had ZERO chance of containing this. And the crowd and chanting shows what VEISHEA now means to people. And it's more than just a "few trouble makers"

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[video=youtube_share;D5zsLzkdRU8]http://youtu.be/D5zsLzkdRU8[/video]

BTW - I see PLENTY of avenues to get the hell out of there. 99% who were there - wanted to be there. This idea that Welch, Lincoln Way and Chamberlain are somehow some walled off courtyard is ludicrous.

 

[Angie]

If repeated problems like a murder, riots, property damage, and injuries continued to happen at these birthday parties, at some point don't you have to stop having them?

Exactly - in my scaled-down analogy, there isn't mass damage and the potential for injury/death from a kid breaking a toy. You just flat-out don't risk some of the things that have happened in the past at VEISHEA over and over again, when everything you try and do falls on deaf ears. It's a huge liability.

 

[roundball]

There was a ton of video from that night, and it seemed like very few people were attempting to leave, but the chants were from more than 50 to 75 people. It's definitely possible that a few were trying to leave and couldn't, but when the crowd kept moving around, you just don't move with it.

Probably because filming people leaving the scene of a riot isn't too exciting/interesting in comparison. Are we at a point in time where if something is not filmed, it's assumed to have not happened?

I'd be wary of casting judgment based on videos made by a select few people who thought it would be a good idea to film a riot rather than try to leave.

 

[Angie]

Probably because filming people leaving the scene of a riot isn't too exciting/interesting in comparison. Are we at a point in time where if something is not filmed, it's assumed to have not happened?

I'd be wary of casting judgment based on videos made by a select few people who thought it would be a good idea to film a riot rather than try to leave.

Watch the video in post 188. There were hundreds of people in that "stampede." They just didn't have to run, they could have turned around after the group went by and went home.

 

[roundball]

Watch the video in post 188. There were hundreds of people in that "stampede." They just didn't have to run, they could have turned around after the group went by and went home.

And if you think that's a sizable share of all the people who were in Campustown that night, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Angie]

And if you think that's a sizable share of all the people who were in Campustown that night, I don't know what to tell you.

And if you don't think every single person there had a choice about where they were that night, I don't know what to tell you, either.

 

[Clone1138]

I was told that there was cake in this thread.

 

[roundball]

And if you don't think every single person there had a choice about where they were that night, I don't know what to tell you, either.

How were they supposed to know that a riot was going to break out?

 

[mclatch]

It is when it happens on a Tuesday night during Veishea. When, in the history of Iowa State University, has a Tuesday night ever been as bad as that one was?

This is correct - it was a Tuesday... before VEISHEA - this should give a clue as to this being a cultural problem not an "event" problem.

Drunken mobs congregated and moved all over campus during "dry" VEISHEA in the late 90's.
A mob is a tinderbox - all it really needs is for one drunk to lead and the next says "I can top that!"

Calling off a well-intentioned event will not stop the culture of mobs in Ames in the Spring. The question is whether there will be a spark.

 

[cyclone13]

BTW - I see PLENTY of avenues to get the hell out of there. 99% who were there - wanted to be there. This idea that Welch, Lincoln Way and Chamberlain are somehow some walled off courtyard is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]

That's why it needs to be cancelled. The other alternative: give tons of authority to the cops to literally tear gas and do what needs to be done to disperse these people.But of course, plenty of people will cry foul and complain, always blaming the cops and the authority.

Never buy the argument "I was just witnessing"

 

[RubyClone]

And if you think that's a sizable share of all the people who were in Campustown that night, I don't know what to tell you.

What are you saying here? That somehow the hundreds who were part of that mob was only X% of the overall crowd, that somehow things aren't as bad as the video shows?

After seeing that video - I honestly don't care how many "bystanders" there were. There are far, far, far too many involved to begin with.

 

[WrestlerJJE]

I was told that there was cake in this thread.

Here you go!!!!!

 

[Angie]

How were they supposed to know that a riot was going to break out?

Again, they could have left. These are wide-open streets. It's not like they were trapped inside of Hilton with all of the doors locked. The incidents happened over the course of a few hours, and up and down Welch. There was ample time and opportunity to leave when they saw things even remotely starting to head downhill.

People want to justify being there because "I wasn't doing anything." False. Just being part of the group, or being in the vicinity, made it more difficult on emergency personnel (and gave a sense of power to the perpetrators). There were many stories about the ambulance having trouble getting to the kid who got hit with the light pole - it wasn't Leath standing there blocking the way.