Rocco's NIL value

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Even as a die hard ISU fan, if my son was offered 1 million and ISU didn't at least try and be competitive with an offer I'm telling him to take that money. I don't care what his family situation is, you don't turn down life changing money.

That said, I guess I'm glad he isn't my son :cool:

I'd smack the kid upside the head.

In the working world we're guns for hire.

NIL has brought that to light in college ball. There is no loyalty. There is no "family"

Just straight cash.
 

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I'd smack the kid upside the head.

In the working world we're guns for hire.

NIL has brought that to light in college ball. There is no loyalty. There is no "family"

Just straight cash.
I know his Dad and Ma are probably wealthy, but yeah for a young "kid" this would be a nice sweet deal. Invest the heck out of it and let it ride. Time is the biggest lever there is.
 
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While I agree that NIL isn't a true market value proposition right now, they're not going to be able to do anything about it until we get to official revenue sharing. This is the entire argument for NIL as it is and I agree with it currently. With few exceptions (Caitlin Clark and she gets PAID), MBB and CFB are paying the bills for everyone already. I don't think they should be required to do more and so long as NIL is legal, people are going to make sure their money is going where they want it.
I don't think the legal issue is the fact that NIL isn't actually NIL. I think the issue is a University Athletic Department telling donors to not donate to the University, but rather a separate third party. When the direct result of that is going to be those funds now go from having to be reasonably close to split among mens and womens athletes' benefits to pretty much all going to men's.

As an oversimplified example, a donor would give $1M in the past. Generally speaking that benefit is going to have to benefit both men's and women's athletics similarly. Now the AD says, "don't donate it to us, give it to the collective," which is a non-university entity. Then all $1M goes to football players. That seems like a pretty obvious and overt Title IX workaround, or at least an explicit move by the University that will have a negative impact on women's athletics.
 

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I don't think the legal issue is the fact that NIL isn't actually NIL. I think the issue is a University Athletic Department telling donors to not donate to the University, but rather a separate third party. When the direct result of that is going to be those funds now go from having to be reasonably close to split among mens and womens athletes' benefits to pretty much all going to men's.

As an oversimplified example, a donor would give $1M in the past. Generally speaking that benefit is going to have to benefit both men's and women's athletics similarly. Now the AD says, "don't donate it to us, give it to the collective," which is a non-university entity. Then all $1M goes to football players. That seems like a pretty obvious and overt Title IX workaround, or at least an explicit move by the University that will have a negative impact on women's athletics.
I understand all that. They just won't say it out loud then. Unless you ban NIL again, there is no way to stop that.
 
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Even as a die hard ISU fan, if my son was offered 1 million and ISU didn't at least try and be competitive with an offer I'm telling him to take that money. I don't care what his family situation is, you don't turn down life changing money.

That said, I guess I'm glad he isn't my son :cool:
And this is why We Will is smartly focusing on retention. Not for all, but for some a competitive but not matching offer is enough to retain a kid, but you probably have to outbid teams if you are trying to grab somebody out of the portal. We Will needs to be efficient with limited resources. That's why at this point there are going to be limited, if any big NIL portal targets.
 

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I understand all that. They just won't say it out loud then. Unless you ban NIL again, there is no way to stop that.
I think ADs are plugging collectives. Which is probably fine, but I think if an AD is explicitly going to donors and saying no, don't donate to us, donate to the collective instead, they might run into a legal issue. Like a poster said that an athletic department was emailing something like this. That would be begging for a lawsuit in my opinion. I would not be surprised if there are lawyers waiting for there to be critical mass of dollars "Redirected" by ADs to pounce on this.
 

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I think ADs are plugging collectives. Which is probably fine, but I think if an AD is explicitly going to donors and saying no, don't donate to us, donate to the collective instead, they might run into a legal issue. Like a poster said that an athletic department was emailing something like this. That would be begging for a lawsuit in my opinion. I would not be surprised if there are lawyers waiting for there to be critical mass of dollars "Redirected" by ADs to pounce on this.
Ok, then someone will get in trouble but it won't change a single thing except someone will get fired or something.
 

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In Rocco's case, staying put at ISU is probably a smart move. The money will be there and potentially even bigger after next season.

I am sure Rocco has a level of comfort with the Iowa State offense. Gotta believe he also knows he has solid talent around him with Sama, Noel, Higgins, Brahmer, etc. So come back to Iowa State, have an All Big12 season AND then he will have choices:
  1. NFL Draft
  2. Stay with ISU
  3. Hunt NIL Money from a TOP program.
 
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Can he get NIL offers from other schools without being in the portal? Isn't that still considered tampering?

I know the NCAA has become the Wild West but where's the limits??
Limits? Reason? Accountability? haha
 

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It is against the rules for individuals outside the organizations to pay players to play somewhere. If it wasn't the salary cap would be meaningless.

No it’s not.

Article 14. Section 1. Undisclosed Terms:

A Club (or a Club Affiliate) and a player (or a Player Affiliate or player agent) may not, at any time, enter into undisclosed agreements of any kind, express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind: (a) involving consideration of any kind to be paid, furnished or made available or guaranteed to the player, or Player Affiliate, by the Club or Club Affiliate either prior to, during, or after the term of the Player Contract; and/or (b) concerning the terms of any renegotiation and/or extension of any Player Contract by a player subject to a Franchise Player or Transition Player designation.

Nothing about someone who is not officially affiliated with the team.

The colleges have just tricked people into thinking it’s their job to fund the teams, while they reap all of the benefits.
 

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Rocco's dad just re upped with St Louis. He knows the best system for him. It ain't leaving and 100% chasing money. It's staying put and owning 100% playing time. This will be an annual event if he keeps progressing. Only the money will get bigger. It will always be there. His comfy ISU situation will not always be there. Take a nice payday son and get back to practice.
 
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I'd smack the kid upside the head.

In the working world we're guns for hire.

NIL has brought that to light in college ball. There is no loyalty. There is no "family"

Just straight cash.

The American creed.
 

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I think ADs are plugging collectives. Which is probably fine, but I think if an AD is explicitly going to donors and saying no, don't donate to us, donate to the collective instead, they might run into a legal issue. Like a poster said that an athletic department was emailing something like this. That would be begging for a lawsuit in my opinion. I would not be surprised if there are lawyers waiting for there to be critical mass of dollars "Redirected" by ADs to pounce on this.

Under what legal basis? Serious question, I am your basic citizen without any depth of law knowledge. Title IX? I just don't have a clue. Thanks.
 

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No it’s not.

Article 14. Section 1. Undisclosed Terms:

A Club (or a Club Affiliate) and a player (or a Player Affiliate or player agent) may not, at any time, enter into undisclosed agreements of any kind, express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind: (a) involving consideration of any kind to be paid, furnished or made available or guaranteed to the player, or Player Affiliate, by the Club or Club Affiliate either prior to, during, or after the term of the Player Contract; and/or (b) concerning the terms of any renegotiation and/or extension of any Player Contract by a player subject to a Franchise Player or Transition Player designation.

Nothing about someone who is not officially affiliated with the team.

The colleges have just tricked people into thinking it’s their job to fund the teams, while they reap all of the benefits.
Ok fine, I didn't word that correctly. If you made up a scenario where a billionaire who wasn't a fan of the Chiefs, never attended the games, and didn't know the owners decided they were going to pay Mahomes an extra 100 million dollars to play for the Chiefs technically that may be all right. Of course this would never happen, and in any real world scenario where it would happen that person would be considered an affiliate of the Chiefs because they have some interest in the franchise, and any amount payed to the player to play for the Chiefs would have to be disclosed and count towards the salary cap. Better?