This makes me sad. Was one of the best rivalries in college football. Two iconic teams playing on a regular basis - often as the defacto B8 championship game with the Orange Bowl birth on the line.
SEC Myth - Iowa Nice Guy
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This makes me sad. Was one of the best rivalries in college football. Two iconic teams playing on a regular basis - often as the defacto B8 championship game with the Orange Bowl birth on the line.
Big 12 has no one to blame but themselves on that one. Either put OU and OSU in the North with Nebraska or have permanent cross-division rivalries.
TCU has been ranked at the end of every year except 6 since 2000. 3 of those were when they first joined the Big 12.
Lets just assume for a second there was bias to get an SEC to the championship, even in that scenario the best team in the country outside of the SEC failed to win 7 years in a row?
You really can't argue this without acknowledging that there is a huge bias for the SEC. Remember when Alabama played Auburn twice in a row? So yes the SEC has all the championships but they can thank their notoriety for a lot of that. Are they the best? Probably but I don't think the gap is large.
My goodness you just revealed you don't have a clue.
Rewriting history is brett... tcu was not good before the big 12?
LoL. Actually they were considered to be very good and then struggled when they entered the conference unlike what a&m and Missouri did. Wow, did u whiff on that one.
West Virginia was also supposed to be a premiere team on the east coast. Struggling in the big 12. Oops.
Newsflash to the rest of the nation then.
Fact..... big 12....2-0 vs sec this year. Yeah facts can be tough on people who want to create their own reality.
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They have 14 schools. They are a power 5 conference, top heavy. I repeat - Missouri won the SEC East in consecutive years with a starting 22 consisting of Big XII recruits from the Midwest and Texas. Missouri has now transitioned to recruits from the Southeast and they are not nearly as good. Iowa State would beat Missouri right now.
What's true? That a guy who would wear an Alabama t-shirt and an Alabama hat with obvious Alabama fandom bias would let his kids wear Auburn t-shirts? That's like an ISU fan letting his kids wear Iowa (or worse, Nebraska) t-shirts.
While this might be rather clever in your mind, it's just that - in your mind. What happened last season has nothing to do with this season.
If I didnt know any better I would think the Iowa Nice guy was on here bumping his threads himself, thats the kind of self promotion and sad selfish behavior this guy engages in at any place he can get any kind of attention. The guy is just in it for the attention he is playing everyone he is just pretending he is so fake and his videos are old before they even get on the internet.
Why do you keep referring to single schools or examples? In the last 15 years not only has half the conference gone to a bowl game every year, but half the conference WINS a bowl game every year. Show me another conference that has done that, whether they have 14 teams or 8.
I'll wait.
Pssst: The Pac-12 had 8 teams in post season play last year.. and had a better winning percentage than the mighty SEC.. the mighty conference that needed last minute bowl wins from last year's struggling Tennessee and Florida in order to surpass .500.
Of course the SEC has the best players and has good team. Look at what they offer:
Great weather year round, zero academic standards, no rules to follow in terms of recruiting, no integrity, ESPN helps in their recruiting, limitless funding (ESPN), outside of a handful of school that care about baseball (ALA, LSU, SC) they aren't competitive in any other major sport (KU bball is it).
Did I mention no academic standards and no regard/punishment for rules regarding recruitment? Especially since ESPN is so heavily invested in the conference. They can't have their pride and joy on probation for violating rules.
ESPN treats Ohio State the same as if they were in the SEC.
Anyone find it convenient that Urban Meyer bailed on Florida and was hired by ESPN as a commentator. He pretty much exclusively did BigTen games, the majority of which were Ohio State. ESPN spearheaded the investigations into Tressel and Meyer is promptly hired and get a top recruiting class.
But I'm sure it was all done on the up and up right?
Great weather year round, zero academic standards, no rules to follow in terms of recruiting, no integrity, ESPN helps in their recruiting, limitless funding (ESPN), outside of a handful of school that care about baseball (ALA, LSU, SC) they aren't competitive in any other major sport (KU bball is it).
Did I mention no academic standards and no regard/punishment for rules regarding recruitment? Especially since ESPN is so heavily invested in the conference. They can't have their pride and joy on probation for violating rules.
ESPN treats Ohio State the same as if they were in the SEC.
Anyone find it convenient that Urban Meyer bailed on Florida and was hired by ESPN as a commentator. He pretty much exclusively did BigTen games, the majority of which were Ohio State. ESPN spearheaded the investigations into Tressel and Meyer is promptly hired and get a top recruiting class.
But I'm sure it was all done on the up and up right?
I'm pretty sure most people here are referring to the conference still holding these untouchable ratings regardless of matched quality from other conferences in the last couple of years, not in 2001.
Is the SEC by far the best from last year to this? No (the bowl comparisons and head to head match-ups support this). So why are they still rated like it in the polls and still endeared by the media as such?
The polls are supposed to only factor in play of this year, which is where the issue of bias comes in (because why would the SEC's bowl record in 2001 relate to today). I believe that is the point some are trying to make.
I don't think we have to assume SEC bias over the last decade, it's pretty evident. They were the only conference that actually had a team (or both teams) in the NC game since 2006. Why should that be the case? The P5 conferences (especially the best teams in those conferences) rarely play each other in the regular season, far too little anyway to make any definitive statement regarding relative strength. Yet, the media (especially ESPN) always automatically regards the SEC as inherently better than anyone else. And why shouldn't they, ESPN has a vested interest in seeing the SEC do well. That should have you immediately questioning their intentions.
The fact is, the system has been pretty bad at finding the best team in the country. How could it? Because the major powerhouse programs don't have to play each other during the system, the only yard stick by which to measure them has been trying to play six degrees of Kevin Bacon using weak teams as a proxy. The transitive property simply doesn't work very well. Hell, even a direct matchup has shown to be a bad indicator of strength, even in the case of a blowout (http://tabmathletics.com/nflpost-blowoutrematch/). Turns out teams evolve over the season and early results often don't correlate to post season results, yet that's how we make decisions. It's a terrible system.
In short, I'm not saying the SEC isn't the best, but there's certainly not enough data to say they are the best. They are certainly the most hyped though, and if you believe the SEC is the best conference it probably has more to do with the marketing power of ESPN than causation.
I understand what you're trying to convey to me, I just disagree that it is bias from the past decade causing the meida to rank them high now. For example Vegas power rankings have Bama ranked even higher than what the media does, and they use a competely different method.
I don't even know why I care to discuss this, I don't have a dog in the fight. Interesting topic to me I suppose.
