Segregationist Darrell K Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium

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It was 1959. In Texas. Different times. Different indoctrinations. Maybe Royal and the basketball coach didn't want to cause the serious problems that would arise had they allowed black players at that point in time. Who knows. I wasn't alive in those days.

I'm glad we're all so perfect now though.
 

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It's a matter of timeframes regarding the level change/progress made in the various parts of the country. If we are talking 1959 (which the OP is) or even today, there is no comparison between Iowa and the deep south.

Regarding the KKK, they were still holding a rally in the park two blocks from my place in the SEC town I lived in. 1980s, and I didn't need pictures.



Remember the Klan burning crosses in yards in Dubuque in the early 1990's? Not exactly an SEC town...
 
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Well, I dated one as well, Judy. Cute. Smart. Northside girl. But the same outcome. She married the coach's son who went on to Minnesota on a track scholarship. But I never held that against my alma mater.

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I thought you were a girl?
 

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It's a matter of timeframes regarding the level change/progress made in the various parts of the country. If we are talking 1959 (which the OP is) or even today, there is no comparison between Iowa and the deep south.

Regarding the KKK, they were still holding a rally in the park two blocks from my place in the SEC town I lived in. 1980s, and I didn't need pictures.

That's optimistic for then and for today.
 

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Ask African-American students about their experiences in Ames and Iowa State. It's not usually a very positive experience.

Bingo. I've seen a lot of this "patting ourselves on the backs" lately from folks around CF because of the name of Jack Trice Stadium and some other slightly more progressive things for those times, but let's not pretend Ames, IA is a utopia for all races and cultures. Be careful what you criticize as there are undoubtedly racists and other skeletons in the closet at ISU from long ago and they may appear someday. Would you then think its fair if some administrator's horrendous comments from the 1950s were used by opponents to call Iowa State a racist place? It's not and that's what many are insinuating by saying UT is wrong to allow DKR stadium to be named after him.

This gets at one thing I don't like about the modern day outrage culture which is whipped up by social media: for stuff that's so removed - literally 60 plus years ago when nobody who's in charge today was around - why do people pull these events out of history and act like its somehow crucially important and reflects on the modern day institution? In this case UT is under the lense, but we could be talking about lots of different universities. Are we really surprised there were lots of bigots back then and particularly in the south? :confused: Come on. The poster saying "he's surprised Disney will associate with them." Seriously? It's just getting ridiculous how people will draw from someone's or some institution's past to "character assassinate" when it may be 20 to 30 years or more removed. There's a reason courts of law exclude irrelevant information from evidence. A court of law is the most deliberative venue we have and the rules of evidence and civil procedure are designed to seek out truth and carefully and deliberately weigh facts. I wish the court of public opinion was more deliberative, but it just is a cesspool of this crap all the time.

People need to be smarter and not give a lot of these old stories, whose relevance is dubious in some cases or completely irrelevant in others, weight and make a big deal out of it, yet they aren't. The media / social media just keeps drudging stuff up and now an outrage posse will be whipped up over a name when there's so many bigger issues to confront and real change to try and make.

P.S. I'm not saying symbolism doesn't matter, and maybe this will lead to renaming of DKR (UT's stadium). That's fine with me to rename if he did espouse those views. I just tire of the constant game that's played these days of outrage and a person who was deemed notable for something he or she did (say athletic achievement, scholarly achievement, etc.) gets doxxed by something totally unrelated or irrelevant to the achievement which is whipped up on social media years or even decades after the totally unrelated event. People aren't perfect - NO person - can't we just accept the imperfections and move on with life?

/end late night middle-aged man rant.
 

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Darrell K Royal's thoughts on integrating college sports in newly discovered memo (see #3 below).

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I'm surprised Disney wants to associate with a program that named its stadium after a segregationist.

Makes me even prouder we play in Jack Trice Stadium.

In other news, Kkkirkkk Freerentz has ordered DKR stickers to replace ANF on Hok helmets.
 
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That's optimistic for then and for today.


Why? Like I stated earlier posts my mother in laws parents grew up in a mining town here in Iowa where everyone got along. My father in law did not. He grew up in the 40's south where segregation was the rule. The contrast in stories is stark. However, if you ask both......none of what went on back then in the south is going on today. My FIL has stated he doesn't understand young people today........they have no idea.....and he lived "southern hospitality".

Now, you can disagree or don't believe a word I say, that's fine. This isn't something I read in a book or had beat down my throat in some useless poli sci class. And when you see Alabama or UT play this year and almost the entire team is black......maybe you will understand. Because back then it didn't matter how good you were.......in the south you black.......you ain't playing, let alone drinking at the same water fountain. So it's up to you.......but next time you start muddying the present with the past, give that a thought.
 

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Why? Like I stated earlier posts my mother in laws parents grew up in a mining town here in Iowa where everyone got along. My father in law did not. He grew up in the 40's south where segregation was the rule. The contrast in stories is stark. However, if you ask both......none of what went on back then in the south is going on today. My FIL has stated he doesn't understand young people today........they have no idea.....and he lived "southern hospitality".

Now, you can disagree or don't believe a word I say, that's fine. This isn't something I read in a book or had beat down my throat in some useless poli sci class. And when you see Alabama or UT play this year and almost the entire team is black......maybe you will understand. Because back then it didn't matter how good you were.......in the south you black.......you ain't playing, let alone drinking at the same water fountain. So it's up to you.......but next time you start muddying the present with the past, give that a thought.

Unfortunately, I'm not muddying anything. Buxton isn't the entirety of Iowa.
See, talking with black students here at ISU in the present day, their experiences tend not to be very rosy.

Next time you lecture me on history or mixing history with the present, take a moment and say to yourself, "This would be a stupid thing to do. He knows what he's talking about and has legitimate reasons to state things." You'll save yourself some bother and avoid looking like a moron.
 

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History is only there for people to learn and improve from that’s it.

I tend to agree.

That would also include acknowledging things that happened that had future implications and not dismissing it as white washing.

Much of the history I learned growing up was a form of white washing in itself.
 

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Thank god we are getting better. Progress is slower than many of us would like.

I all for seeing history for what it was. Maybe then we can better learn from our mistakes.
 

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Unfortunately, I'm not muddying anything. Buxton isn't the entirety of Iowa.
See, talking with black students here at ISU in the present day, their experiences tend not to be very rosy.

Next time you lecture me on history or mixing history with the present, take a moment and say to yourself, "This would be a stupid thing to do. He knows what he's talking about and has legitimate reasons to state things." You'll save yourself some bother and avoid looking like a moron.
So far you have posted zero examples. You have been ad hominem lamenting your entire time in this thread.
 

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Did they where their hoods and robes?
No they went clan business casual. They should have worn helmets though. This was back when soda still came in glass bottles and several of them ended up in the hospital because cars driving by threw the glass bottles out the window at them and a glass bottle does some damage at 55mph.
 

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