Should ISU establish the passing game first.

klamath632

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People keep talking about execution, which obviously is important, but it's equally important for the staff to give the offense the best opportunity to execute by calling the correct plays in the correct situation. Until that happens I'm not going to fault the execution of this offense.

Tell me something, when we run the ball, are you seeing any holes develop at all? No? That's an execution problem.
 

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Tell me something, when we run the ball, are you seeing any holes develop at all? No? That's an execution problem.

No, but when the defense has 8 in the box and you run the same zone read with a quarterback who won't actually keep it because he's incapable of doing so that's a coaching problem.
 
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No but when the defense has 8 in the box and you run the same zone read with a quarterback who won't actually keep it because he's incapable of doing so that's a coaching problem.

5 guys need to execute and block 8. It's that simple.
 

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After listening to CPR's Tulsa presser I think we should first establish who gives ISU the best option at QB...

His comments about the first play of the Iowa game were a little concerning.
 

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I think the offense should pass when the defense thinks they will run and run when the defense thinks they will pass.

But, how would we know this? Should our OC be a mind-reader? If only there was some way to tell based on the positioning of the defenders prior to the snap . . .
 

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After listening to CPR's Tulsa presser I think we should first establish who gives ISU the best option at QB...

His comments about the first play of the Iowa game were a little concerning.

Is there a transcript of the comments somewhere? I'd like to read them-- I'm not in a place where I can play audio/video.
 

klamath632

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The worst passing QB In the Big 12 ,Blake Bell from OU, lit Tulsa secondary up. Thats all you need to know.

Was Bell's jersey clean or dirty after that game? Bell may have much better protection than QBSR gets. He has been running for his life every game.
 

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I watched the entire Colorado State at Tulsa game a few weeks ago and CSU had a lot of success running the ball and no success passing. I know our O line is banged up, but we have got to get the running game established, then the passing game will take care of itself.

So what if ISU tries to establish the run like they did against UNI and Iowa only to fail miserably again? The defense will play the pass and forget about playing honest against the run because ISU will have already shown they simply are not a threat to do anything on the ground. Thus they have managed to effectively shut down the only offensive potential they have (the passing game) because the defense will probably go to nickel sets and beg ISU to run the ball because they know they can't do it. Knowing Mess he will see those nickel sets and actually fall into the trap of thinking that the offense will be able to run the ball only to fail to have any success even against a weakened defensive front. The offensive unit will then lose confidence, try to force things in desperation, and look like they have no clue what they are doing. Sound about right?
 

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I'm confused, 78. If ISU can't run against the nickle sets after trying to run unsuccessfully and then settling on the pass, what makes you think that they will be able to run against nickle sets if they try passing first and then run against the nickle?

I guess I'm missing the big difference. If you can't run against the nickle, you can't run against the nickle regardless of how you got there.

Or are you suggesting that ISU become totally one dimensional? If so, ISU might as well chalk up the L now.
 

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I think we need a bunch of those passes down the line of scrimmage for a 2 yard loss, like we had in the 1st half against Iowa
 

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Is there a transcript of the comments somewhere? I'd like to read them-- I'm not in a place where I can play audio/video.

He said if Richardson was healthy and would have kept it he would have only had to make one guy miss to go the distance. Would have been a 10 yard gain minimum.
 

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YOU get a pass, YOU get a pass, EVERYBODY get's a PASS.

Now we just need to figure out a way to convert those passes to TD's.
 

Cyclonestate78

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I'm confused, 78. If ISU can't run against the nickle sets after trying to run unsuccessfully and then settling on the pass, what makes you think that they will be able to run against nickle sets if they try passing first and then run against the nickle?

I guess I'm missing the big difference. If you can't run against the nickle, you can't run against the nickle regardless of how you got there.

Or are you suggesting that ISU become totally one dimensional? If so, ISU might as well chalk up the L now.

So far... ISU hasn't shown the ability to run the ball against any defensive alignment they have gone up against. The line has been dominated, the backs can't get any rhythm going because they are playing musical chairs, and there has been zero creativity in the running game up to this point.

If this is how Mess is going to work the running game then it is going to be a futile effort. If Shontrelle is going to take the handoff and dance around in the backfield and get dropped for no gain or a minimal gain each carry maybe he shouldn't be getting any carries. If White and Wimberly are going to average over 5 yards per carry but the QB isn't going to give them the football... why even bother trying to run it?


I was up in Madison at the Wisconsin-Purdue game on Saturday afternoon and watched them gash Purdue all day long running the football. Their backs hit the hole hard, make 1 cut and go. ISU hasn't had a back hit the hole hard yet this season. ISU has rushed for 227 yards in 2 games on 68 carries and scored 0 td's. Wisconsin's 3rd string RB ( a true freshman) has 334 yards on 44 carries and 4 td's. ISU's leading ball carrier in the RB department is James White with 12 carries so far. I walked away from that game thinking about ISU's offense and just how damn depressing it is to watch.
 

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Establishing anything at all would mean we had an actual offensive scheme or plan. So if we establish the pass, we will have improved a lot on the bye week. Not holding my breath.